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Morgan Question. DMPL?

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Hello I posted a few months ago about this coin wondering about the toning and if it was maybe a DMPL. A few people responded about the DMPL but they were not really to sure because of the quality of the pics. Here are some better pics. Opinions please.

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 Posted 01/02/2013  06:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector1628 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin wouldn't happen to be from Russco, would it?
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 Posted 01/02/2013  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add benchfreak221 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is.
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Hahaha I thought so. I would recognize those stamped words and yellow price tag anywhere.
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A word of caution. Those 1880-S were some of the best struck Morgans in the series. They are very strict in grading them so if you plan on having it slabbed, make sure it is really worth it.
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Just a thought, but carefully take it out of the 2x2 and try the reflective test, the cellophane on the 2x2's is reflective... To me that doesn't look PL, let alone DMPL.. It looks like the reflection off of the cellophane...
And jerseyben is very correct with his comment, 1880 S's were struck very nice, that's why I'd recommend really checking it out outside of the 2x2 and make sure it's worth sending in, if your thinking of sending it in..

But the toning is beautiful!! great Morgan!!
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With all due respect, what I posted in your last thread is fact, not speculation, and you can decide yourself once and for all using the rule I posted. I'll repeat it here, with the specific rule bolded:


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DMPL? You're going to want to be able to read standard newsprint clearly, reflected in the fields of the coin, at a bare minimum of 6" away. DMPL is not easy. The toning won't affect things, because there's enough clean field left on both faces to make the experiment possible. If you haven't seen a true DMPL Morgan, you'll be staggered by what you see. You don't dare look at a light bulb reflected in one, much less the sun. They're literally perfect mirrors, quite clear enough to shave in.

And both fields must demonstrate this reflectivity for it to get either PL or DMPL.

Keep in mind, 1880-S isn't an uncommon date with PL/DMPL surfaces. This coin's auction value won't reach $300 in MS63 DMPL.
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Ok that's for the comments. I will try and take it out of the case and and see if I can read news print clearly.
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Something else to consider:

The "DMPL" designation also has other requirements. Devices should be frosted with uniform reflectivity at 4-plus inches--on both sides of the coin. In other words, if a section of either obverse or reverse is duller without deep reflectivity, an otherwise "DMPL" coin could test prooflike or worse (no prooflike designation whatsoever).

Here is a picture of a coin that was sent to PCGS, then cracked out and sent to NGC.

PCGS grade is MS64 and NGC graded it MS65. Neither service even gave it a PL designation let alone DMPL.



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heres one I sold, this should give you an idea of how reflective the fields are but see how the frosting on the devices doesn't show any reflectivity

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Great thanks for the comments and pictures they helped a lot.
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Wow, Kman. That was a beautiful coin. How much did you sell such a nice coin for? If you don't mind me asking anyway. I want 1 (actually all of them but realistically can only afford 1 right now) DMPL to add to my collection. I don't care about the year or MM at this point, but just one beautiful coin like that.
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