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Broadstrike Or Double Strike ~ [you Decide]

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 Posted 01/06/2013  1:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Of the many broadstruck dimes in my inventory/collection, a few displayed full reeded edges, along with one quarter.

Way back when, I was the high bidder on one of Fred Weinbergs ebay auctions. The item description was a 2004d double struck dime, the first strike was struck in-collar, and 2nd strike out of collar (broadstruck). This purchase was confirmation that what I had was also double strikes as the broadstruck displayed full edge reeding.

[i should also note the ANACS certification was almost double what was paid for the coin]

However, ANACS did not agree and designated it a broadstruck only. I telephones ANACS after receiving the coin and mentioned that it should have been a double strike due to it's full edge reeding. They disagreed and the grader mentioned that the edge must be counting machine damage, I then asked "If it is machine damage, how come it's not in a problem holder", in which they replied to re-submit the coin so they can change the holder (I don't think so).

I had a friendly email conversation with Fred on the ANACS results and Fred mentioned that he knows what counting machine damage looks like, and that IS NOT counting machine damage.

Anyway, below is the ANACS coin I purchased raw from Fred (it's hard to view the edge reeding in the holder), along with a raw 2002d dime and 1984 off center quarter that also displayed full edge reeding.

On the raw coins I placed them against a mirror to show the reeding in the photos...

I still think Fred Weinberg is correct, not ANACS, and will now let the CCF members debate who is correct, and why you had come to that conclusion...

Thanks for viewing and look forward to the replies.
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 Posted 01/08/2013  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Since there have been no replies to this thread, requesting a personal comment is no longer required and now I'm curious who you believe is correct, ANACS or Fred Weinberg.

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 Posted 01/09/2013  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both coins are broadstruck and both show false reeding (post-strike damage). According to Arnie Margolis, they're picked up from the fluted or rifled tube of coin sorting machines. According to NGC, they're picked up from coin-wrapping machines. As is the case with your dime and with most other cases, the false reeding has an oblique orientation.
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@mikediamond

I know Arnie Margolis recently passed away. Do you know if Arnie had posted any photos of the sorting machine tubes, as this will help me understand exactly how this happens to only a very few broadstruck coins. Another question I have is; Do they use the same fluted tubes on the Cent & Niclel denominations, or only the reeded edge denominations?

[the second question is because I've had over a thousand broadstruck cents & nickels at one time and never did one have a reeded edge]

I just pulled out my copy of "The Error Coin Encyclopedia" 3rd edition, by Arnold Margolis, NLG and Fred Weinberg, NLG Copyright 2000, and will take my time going through this as I had purchased this coin from one of the authors of this book claiming this a double strike.

Maybe, if you have the time, can do a Coin World article on this, I can email you high resolution photos.

Thanks for your reply
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Neither Arnie nor NGC posted photos of the machines involved in generating this type of post-strike damage. It's fairly common and I've seen it on all denominations from 1c - 25c. You can find it on broadstrikes, off-center coins, and double-struck coins in which the second strike is off-center. Basically any coin that is larger than normal (along at least one axis) can suffer this damage.
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