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I am getting better at identifying Greek and Roman coins but still have a long way to go. Any help appreciated. Here are five coins... questions first followed by images:

The first is a Maximianus I very similar to RIC14 -90, BMC 191 but I am perplexed by the mint mark "Q*" - any help appreciated.

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Second coin about 2cm and 7.3 grams - Obviously Christian in nature. Byzantine?

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Third coin is 1.5cm and 2.7 grams - also appears Christian and Byzantine.

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Fourth coin is 1.75cm and 3.3 grams - also appears Christian and Byzantine.

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Last coin is tiny - .75cm and 1.1 grams

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That last one is in surprisingly good shape - it could be worth a lot of money cleaned properly as it is most likely a late roman emperor. these usually dont have any detail, but yours is clear. Make sure that one is done with the upmost care.

first coin I suggest you try Helvetica's RIC lists - they list all the varieties.

The byzantine coins could be done with the Wildwinds partial legend search I reckon - the first looks pretty good with surviving legend.

Coin 4 is earlier - 2nd century I reckon. I have one of elagabalus - I dont know what yours is. Its an SC within wreath - if any obverse legend survives it should be easy enough to ID
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Hello Windycity,

The first is actually Galerius and not Maximian.

Galerius' full name is Gaius Galerius Valerius Maximianus and as Caesar (NOB CAES) under Diocletian he used his Maximianus name but on becoming Augustus (AVG) he switched to Galerius.

Its confusing, I know!

I believe your coin is from Rome, 299AD, RIC VI Rome 95b.

The last looks like a barbarous radiate of Pax from the later 3rd century, many of these are based on Tetricus.

Can't help much with the others, sorry.
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Ben,

Good start and I appreciate the suggestions...

Do you know what the last coin is called?

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As Bobby says - it could be a barberous and worth a lot less, but the design and lack of a radiate crown makes me think other wise.

They get called many things - there doesn't seem to be a good name. 'bloody tiny 5th century' is what I tend to call them. Try searching about for 5th century coins of this size - you'll find some examples. Try wetting the coin and lightly bring your thumb across and see if any of the sandy stuff comes away - this should leave the desert patina but bring out the high points of the coin and there is definitely surviving legend.
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Do you know what the last coin is called?


While its possible its something else (seeing some of the bust would confirm) its very probably just a barbarous minim unfortunately. Google image search 'barbarous minim' to see similar, they go for about $5 each on ebay. The crazier they are the more the price rises.
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Well, the reverse design certainly matches a barbarous coin.

A small bit of provinance would sort it out - if found in England, its definitely a Barb (very very few late romans made it to Britannia)
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I have put the small coin under water and light swept the surface... don't want to harm the coin. It still has a lot of sand and it's hard to see the detail. No sign of radiate but it appears to be laureate bust facing right - also appears to have marks in right field... a larger upside down you with somewhat square edges and a large I next to that.

I am familiar with coin restoration with US coins but not ancients... any suggestions on how to remove more of the sand?

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First off - use distilled water. Regular water contains chlorine ions which bond to the coin and produce hydrochloric acid which degrades the coin (this is Bronze Disease).

I suppose get a Q-tip wet and lightly move in small circles around the bust area and more sweeping to get the legend out.


As soon as you see the letters, stop.
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coin 2 is absolutely byzantine, I think it is justin i...but could be wrong.

his are usually...

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The second coin is a AE 16 nummi of Justinian I from the Thessalonica mint S# 175.
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I also believe the next coin is Justinian I, but it's difficult to say for sure because the obverse detail isn't too clear. It is a pentanummium from the Antioch mint reign year 12.
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Hi in my opinion last coin is a LEO I ae 4.what do you think?
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Here is another Leo I AE4 at Wildwinds.

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Very similar.
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Well, I still think its probably too small and crude to be official, 7.5mm is very small, even for these later coins - maybe an imitation of that coin like this vandal minim:
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Jango knows a lot about these later coins, would like to know his thoughts, not sure how definite the line between official and unofficial is either, it may be almost impossible to say either way if this is borderline.
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