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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 10/15/2013  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Miggs

how are you my friend!

To me, I compete everyday with HFT and I find it to actually help with trades. This is the thing and is not discussed publicly- HFT runs on algo's. These algos are based on humans and basic trading principles. These principles and algos show their hand constantly.

So the HFT's dont interfere at all with supply and demand. If an asset is rising, they push the price up and conversely, assets drop, they push prices down.
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 Posted 10/15/2013  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@yup
I'm well thank you

If you're competing with HFT and making money, you must be in possession of some serious and expensive equipment?
All I'm saying is HFT gives no chances to the individual investor and could eventually destroy markets or be reserved to the privileged few.
It seems speed is not the only factor to have success but also you have to be smart enough to know what order type to send and when to send it.
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 Posted 10/15/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But there is one thing that bugs me and would love to be in the secrets of the gods and have an answer to.
Banks, in this case central banks are not usually in the business of losing money. So why is it they have collectively lost $550 billion
since 2011 while continuously buying gold as the price falls.


I think it has something to do with taxes and the housing bubble when it burst. One of the knocks against them was they didnt have the hard assets to cover the amount they were lending, this would obviously address that. I think they also get some sort of tax break for money held that way as opposed to sitting on it. There may have been some requirement with the bailout about what they do with their money in terms of holding assets as well.

But theres also the part that they dont necessarily need to make money on gold to make money on it. If they see positive movement in their stock prices by touting their metal holdings the value of the metal could be bleeding away while theyll still be ending up on the positive side of the investment.

Between tax/banking laws, stock prices, and public perception its so overly complicated you could write a dissertation trying to figure it out.
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 Posted 10/15/2013  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@basebal
Interesting thoughts, could be a combination of all those factors.

US Mint Gold Coins Could See Price Cuts
It seems US Mint gold coins are poised for price reductions
"If the Wednesday PM fixing is below $1,300, expect the following changes to these gold coins"

What-Happens-To-Gold-And-Silver-Next?-Look-Out-Below?
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 Posted 10/15/2013  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cosmoscoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with @basebal21 again,,Cosmos
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 Posted 10/15/2013  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the CB's are notorious for getting it wrong with their purchases and sales... and the fact IS they dont care about making money or losing it on their asset purchases.

How about when England's CB governor sold their gold for a huge loss and then prices ran higher.

So yea, you really wont get any insight at all from the CB's.

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 Posted 10/15/2013  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How about when England's CB governor sold their gold for a huge loss and then prices ran higher.

That was the prime minister's call Gordon Brown
That was a doozy on his part, he's still getting flack over that idiotic decision to this day
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 Posted 10/15/2013  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Miggs

ahhh yes I knew I had that wrong... wasn't Brownie their Treasury guy for a whle BEORE being PM.. I know that's not the British title but you guys get the point.
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 Posted 10/16/2013  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"When Brown decided to dispose of almost 400 tonnes of gold from 1999 and 2002, between the prices of $256 and $296 an ounce, he did two distinctly odd things.

First, he broke with convention and announced the sale well in advance, giving the market notice that it was shortly to be flooded and forcing down the spot price.
This was apparently done in the interests of "open government", but had the effect of sending the spot price of gold to a 20-year low, as implied by basic supply and demand theory.

Second, the Treasury elected to sell its gold via auction. Again, this broke with the standard model. The price of gold was usually determined at a morning and afternoon "fix"
between representatives of big banks whose network of smaller bank clients and private orders allowed them to determine the exact price at which demand met with supply.

The auction system again frequently achieved a lower price than the equivalent fix price. The first auction saw an auction price of $10c less per ounce than was achieved at the morning fix.
It also acted to depress the price of the afternoon fix which fell by nearly $4.

It seemed almost as if the Treasury was trying to achieve the lowest price possible for the public's gold. It was."

It almost looks like they did it on purpose... (to save the financial system)
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 Posted 10/16/2013  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two things:

1) Gordon Brown wasn't Prime Minister at the time. He was Chancellor of the Exchequer. Basically the guy in UK government who holds the purse strings.

2) There is a theory (I don't know if it's true) that Brown sold the gold because several major banks had shorted gold and would have faced financial ruin otherwise.


Not that any of this matters anymore. The jug was broken over ten years ago. We can't mend it with regret.


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 Posted 10/16/2013  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow what a volatile trading session. Lets look closer!


We turn to our proxies, first looking at GLD. for a good part of the morning session GLD churned lower and in the late afternoon turned higher to flatish and closed lower but off its highs. It seems we are getting the same continued action- stocks higher, gold lower, stocks lower, gold higher. The other thing is that gold is right now within areas of support going back 4 years ago.

For the day, GLD turned in a lower high but higher low. It appears it is settling into another of its ranges, on the lower end.

Silver continues to essentially do nothing. Just chopping around bouncing in the same area. I call it a no mans land. Looking at our proxy for silver, SLV we see today it up in a lower high and a higher low.

So, both are still stuck in downtrends. They are broken. As I always say, this range will end and thats what we are waiting for. Price action wise, odds favor another leg lower but I wouldn't be surprised that we get some head fakes before the move of importance happens.

Sentiment tends to be going around, expecting a move lower. That might stall things for a bit. Just be cautious going forward, this is not the time to be buying bullion coins.
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 Posted 10/17/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the land of gaps which is also known as the PMs lol. What a gap up for silver and gold this AM.

You might recall that yesterday I mentioned sentiment. Its not a big indicator for me however, as a trader and observing other traders and talk, it was as if everyone's eyes were on gold, waiting for it to drop.

In fact, I would not be surprised that traders were trying to front run the move lower by taking positions ahead of an expected drop.... and well... we see what happened today. Anyone short of gold and silver are getting smashed.

lets continue to monitor the price action and see if it tells us anything EOD.

more later
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 Posted 10/17/2013  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add miggs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@yup
Gold on the move, what are you seeing?
I'm reading;
Gold jumps 3 pct; US budget deal seen delaying stimulus cut
"Gold prices surged more than 3 percent on Thursday as the dollar stumbled"

"With prices showing little further weakness after a deal was struck on the debt ceiling, short positions, or commitments to sell, were squeezed, forcing prices higher."

"There were probably lots of shorts in the market, hence the probe of the lows in the last week or so, and all of those guys have been wrongfooted, and have had to cover."

Gold spot price jumps on US downgrade by Chinese rating firm
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 Posted 10/17/2013  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Miggs

good morning Miggs.

Yea I would side with the fact that this is a squeeze, a ton of traders were getting ready for a drop in gold and silver and thats what happened, they were caught getting ahead of themselves, they tried to front run this and bam.

In terms of price, this gap up puts gold into its range from last week so yea I would expect more of the same in the coming days and weeks.

Remember too, that gold and silver are coming into areas of long term support from previous years.
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 Posted 10/17/2013  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, this AM the biggest joke was the action by the China rating firm,,, which caused a big "who is that"? lol
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