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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I am sorry Nod but I have to disagree and heres why... and I do agree that traders do not set the price, yes thats very true.
lets talk corn. Corn prices, like any other commodity, work on supply and demand. Traders do not decide where prices are going. That is based on the market, as it decides what the market price is.
The market is influenced by supply and demand. It has many participants, in the corn market, you have many people involved. You have large funds, you have farmers, you have large food corporations and other entities to give some examples of who is involved in the market. These as a whole make up the market. As supply and demand change, and as the markets look ahead and into the future, prices change and take their respective trends or directions.
Finally, that is a blanket statement to say that when you take a contract, you are betting whether it goes go or down. Thats not really correct. As a trader, I only take a contract when I see a clear trend in either direction, as dictated by the MARKET. I will not make a move without getting confirmation. No one takes a position at random.
I also need to clarify the misconception of the USD. Again, that is a blanket statement to say that weakness/strength in the USD is tied to commodities. The fact of the matter is we have many times correlations that sometimes run in tandem and sometimes diverge. It is not true that the USD has a constant effect on commodities.
So to sum it up, many forces come to work to establish the futures contracts and that is based on supply and demand. Traders follow the trends in these contracts and do not make blind bets. Major fund money, based on what they know regarding supply and demand pushes these prices in their respective trends.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Congrats on making 1500 posts Yup  Keep up the good work Mate 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
WOW Trout thank u! I didnt even notice that!
I must say I enjoy being a part of this community and I want everyone to know that I appreciate them all even if they dont agree with me, or if they feel that I am trying to ruffle their feathers, which I am not.
I truly enjoy being here and want to make the best contribution I know how and thats why I started this thread.
I mean well, I just want to help those who look at buying physical PMs for investment, that I can help them get the BEST possible prices, avoid buying at the wrong time and to see that it IS possible to understand what direction prices go and how it works.
I attempt to keep this watered down and simple so that its easier to grasp and avoids the gibberish and confusing noise that is out there.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Ill have an more indepth look this weekend, but take a look at gold this week, it continues to probe the upper end...
watching this, I am torn to a certain degree. On the one hand, its choppy, with a set of lower highs, with a set of higher highs. Yet, its happening on the upper range.
I think if gold can smash past that upper range, there might be on a smaller time frame, counter trend move higher, as I have said before, the more an area of probed, the higher the chances it finally gives in.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1804 Posts |
Bear on Gold Bear on Silver.
Save up to buy bulk silver coins ... cheaper. Might even be able to get MS+++ cheaper too. If depression hits, cash will be king.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
183 Posts |
inflation? $65 billion per month?
gold's best chance to break upwards on this round was probably yesterday
HH
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
quick update here-
pull up the charts from last week,,, gold has made an attempt at that line and actually got up above it for a bit today.
Tomorrow should be interesting, does it get rejected here or build on it?
I will try to get some updated charts, but key move here for gold in the short term.
Silver continues to be locked up in a range.
So for gold, watch and see if it continues to build momentum, or does it simply run a bit higher and rolls over again... watch and wait.... and more later
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
...... and there's that move in gold we started talking about last week, breaking that range and moving higher.
interesting move that gets it out of a range. Does this mean the bottom is in? Time to buy before the train runs?
I think for now this is just a counter trend move for now. I have several reasons for this-
1- in a heavy downtrend, its not uncommon to see prices reverse and move higher
2- gold has suffered a lot of selling. There are big key levels that will be like brick walls. there is a lot of overhead supply in terms of price and remember, price has memory
Now,, the good thing is IF this is it... then we have some major clues that will confirm higher prices.
1- holding above the range it has broken out of.
2- looking for pull backs to be very light and not violent in nature
3- as gold pushes out of these ranges, that it builds new ranges and bases, staying above the previous range it has broken out of.
IF those things continue to build on each other, we can start to get more confirmation lower prices are behind us. The crowning achievement then would be to see gold at yearly highs.
Finally, dont feel bad if you weren't buying way down. The best thing has been to NOT buy, to make major purchases on dips because one doesn't know how low it can go. Let the big buyers leave a footprint first. Furthermore, just as one has to exercise caution for downside, be careful here in thinking the worst is done and starting to buy.
This is why I love trading tho, if you are patient, and use price as your guide, you can lessen overall risk and maximize profits when you buy or sell.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Going to try and get some quick charts up during the day here. But look at the line we talked about... golds going into it, there will be more of a push, I'd have to say as it clears these short term price areas.
I like buying gold up here for a trade as it clears these areas.
Silver still not above its respective line, so the jury is still out.
FIrst thing that comes to my mind is in all of this IF I was a long term holder: SELL a chunk into this rally. I wouldnt sell everything but I would be a seller of some gold.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
I've been reading that this rally is due to nothing more than Short Covering. And that it has been an uncommonly long "short covering rally". And that unless the big boys step in and go long/buy that it could reverse quite spectacularly. I don't know....
What I do know is that for the first time in a year we are seeing people SELLING Gold. And the common theme is "we want to get our money before it crashes again". OTH Gold buying is Nil. I have read where bullion selling has gone down world wide due to the price increase.
We have had a lot, and I mean a lot of interest in large silver purchaes....but they all seem to be tire kickers and no one has yet pulled the trigger.
It makes me wonder if the macro world is going to mirror the micro ( real) world. I.e. that once the price action makes a certain number that some longs liquidate their holdings and minimize any losses from positions that are long held at high prices.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
I am shocked no one is talking about this today on this forum, I been very tied up but I Am going to try super hard to demonstrate today in a few charts the range thats been broken in both silver and gold... remember we had talked last week about how a range gets probed and finally it gives in... well both silver and gold probed and pushed higher and broke it.
I think one thing thats key is the comment from Jim regarding people wanting to sell gold before it crashes again. Is it sentiment thats pushing this higher... the old "everyone hates it" and it does the inverse?
The break out of the range is very key here, that its holding without a violent pull back is key. Going forward, there are many levels that both gold and silver will run into that will act as walls. However, what needs to be done now is, just as we had levels on the way down, we'll take each level, one a time as it moves up.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
another quick point I want to mention- if you missed or had regret that you didnt sell at higher levels, if you had any regrets, if you had planned on selling,,,this might be a good time for one to think about selling some physical and booking profits. making some money never hurts!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Ok so- last charts we had up we highlighted the areas were gold had probed the upper line. Multiple attempts and yet nothing. Also, we had gold run lower and bounce twice, higher. I will repeat myself- when a certain area is probed repeatedly by price, it eventually gives in. This is what happened in gold and we find the price higher now. Also, remember price has memory, so expect sooner or later, there will be levels that turn into walls and gold will need to work out what it wants to do. Again, this is going to come down to the buyers versus the sellers. Price is the ultimate decision maker here, and no matter what, we must adhere to what its saying and what its doing. First chart is a look at our proxy of GLD. We can see again, we ripped past last weeks line, now we are above it. What happens next? Thats going to be interesting. Thus far no violent selling. What would be constructive if you want higher prices is just a lot of back and forth around here, no giving up major gains and just churning, before moving higher.  Now, I know folks are saying, what levels are we looking at next? We can't say with an exact statement that price will be X. But, we can look at prices from the past and see what levels we can crack and attempt to get too. I am including a yearly chart with some suggested levels to look at.  So give it some time. There will be levels that are going to be brick walls. Price will be the GUIDE to where we go. Why are we going higher? I have no idea, no clue, and I dont care. I am not going to waste time thinking or giving an opinion why. All I know as a trader is that certain important areas on the upside have now been breached. Now what remains to be seen is if this leads to bigger and higher prices. The clues will build up, level by level. Just as I have been cautious on the way down, I remain cautious on the way back up. Had not gold not gapped up on this break, I would been a buyer for a trade and I will be looking for any trades to the upside. So, lets pay attention to price. Gold still has a lot of work in front of it. But keep an open mind while remaining cautious on how much of this sticks. We will get many clues as to how strong this move is. Dont worry if you didnt buy at the lows, it is better to buy when there is real buying and prices stick, rather than blindly buying on the way down, not knowing where the bottom really is. I will have updates on silver to follow this weekend. I am very tight on time so I wanted to first get gold out there. If I got something wrong in context here or have questions let me know, I Am doing this on the fly as we speak but I feel bad I havent updated with charts so everyone can see how price works in either direction. had to do an edit for a grammer error,,, if I made others I am sorry, as I said, I am doing this on the fly so I apologize.
Edited by yup7676 02/14/2014 8:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
746 Posts |
Quote: when a certain area is probed repeatedly by price, it eventually gives in. Thanks for the update, Yup! So we probed the upper line and broke through it and are now trading in a higher channel. Is that about right? Is it possible that if we were to re-test the lower line of the channel we just broke above, that we could break to the downside? Or are we safe in this channel for quite some time?... .... thanks for all your work! 
Edited by allspice 02/16/2014 10:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
@allspice
yes, thats correct, thats another way saying it.
To answer your question- This range, or channel, could indeed revert lower, and depending on the selling, yes, in theory we could re-test those lows. Again, that would depend on how much and how heavy the selling got.
Keep in mind tho, now those lower prices below, will now turn into support, slowing down a move lower.
For now, we give the move benefit of the doubt since its broken higher out of its range, built on it and hasnt looked back yet, its been able to build on its gains. Continue to watch how price deals with pull backs as well.
the bigger looming question is- is this move for real? I dont have a clue, the biggest clues will be left by how it tackles each area of resistance on the way up and if this ends up making yearly highs.
anything is possible
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