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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
Ha Ha, does that mean buy or sell? And what :)
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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
I too thought the summer would be lazy in the PM, so set a trailing stop loss on my miners and it was activated at 13.05. Now it's 15.87, SILJ was basically all I had, so missed out on the post Brexit run up. But, run my screener based on criteria learned here from Yup, picked up 4 different stocks right before BREXIT (UGH) But fortunately 3 days later all were going up. Have averaged between $120-$300/day by riding the 52 high. Later this month will have 10 G to buy more physical, so hoping for a dip in the spot price of silver. Going to let the stocks ride for now, then once the trend levels out will think about getting back into miners with the proceeds. Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda. I got my fingers crossed for a nice deep pull back which I imagine will come seeing how silver is so volatile.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
746 Posts |
Hey guys, just thought I'd chime in and announce another silver high! We just broke $20.00...  is there any stopping this amazing run?  Thanks for all your hard work, yup! Glad to see we're continuing this uptrend! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
I'll share this article http://marketslant.com/articles/sil...queeze-alertHere's my issue...while the ins and outs of the exchanges is complex, bottom line for me after reading this article is I cannot grasp what the author is telling us..the vocabulary I just cannot understand. Shorts, squeezes, margin calls, futures, backwardtation, deliveries.. Hopefully, someone can tell me in PLAIN ENGLISH what this guys theory is for UP...or DOWN Teusday. Let's get real for a minute...everybody talks about it, some say they have proof, others say NO way, but, MANIPULATION of these markets does seem to lead to some violent swings in price. Do I believe gold and silver markets are rigged? Not sure, but, lean towards YES. After all the big fines given out this year, who can't think otherwise? Has it stopped? Maybe blatant misuse, but, subtle abuse surely must be happening, because NOTHING has changed in the big picture. Paper Contracts and Futures seem to be the hot spot. "For the record it is far easier to manipulate Gold lower than it is to push it higher. The opposite is true for Silver. " ======== Whatever...I guess I don't give a Rat's A.. about any of this, as long as price goes UP. Since I long ago made my buys, there is no need for adjustments or buys or sells. OK..I'll stop thinking so much, and, sit back and just watch the action...up, down, sideways, whatever...all of us "stackers" have waited a long time for this new cycle trending up. My goal is to transfer what I am learning here to another market sector that has been beaten down, and, like bullion, years of trending downwards, and, want to find some potential breakout pics that can be watched for a move IN..Livermore style...NO hurry..cash is key...waiting for new highs is key..homework is key....silence is key...enough said.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3843 Posts |
Now at $20.31. It has been moving up very fast in the last few weeks.
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Valued Member
United States
455 Posts |
8:30 central time $20.48. Webekin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7390 Posts |
All I can say is... HOLY CRAP! 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
A few thoughts for the coming week-
1- Silver, gotta love trend following. We talked about when it started to break important ranges higher in the 16s, followed it up into the yearly highs were we said to buy it. Look at where we are at now, getting closer to $20s.
2- Gold and silver closed out their sessions at their highs. Will we see carry over into Tues, when our cash markets open? Usually when an asset closes out near the lows or highs, in this case the two metals closed near the highs, the asset follows through into that direction. Seeing we are closed with Monday, lets see what brings us on Tues when cash markets open and market participants are around.
3- We are indeed getting a stealth move in the metals at a time in the markets when most market participants are off. The market sometimes does this, moves when you least expect it. There have been many notable stealth moves in these lazy boring summer days, besides gold and silver, the market has been favoring putting money into various utilties which have been grinding straight up, then you have the gold and silver miners we have talked about since day one...
@MontanaCMR
The time frames are just that, time frames. Some traders only trade intra-day time frames, a few hours or just the day. Other traders are swing traders, they are trading a range up and down, down and up.
In this thread, we have looked at the short time frames into the longer time frames, such as range breaks and then yearly highs and lows. We have talked about higher highs and higher lows versus lower highs and lower lows. It can be confusing because you must, personally decide, what time frame you are interested or think you can extract money from.
I can tell you this, unless you are at a desk, watching tick by tick, a short term frame is not for you. what you need to remember, as has been described here, the short term moves in time all add up, they paint a picture, of whether an asset is going higher, lower or stuck in a range. We used this method as we plotted out how gold and silver were going higher.
At the end of the day, whether its weekly, monthly, daily, candle sticks, japanese candle sticks, fibs, etc.... ALL of these methods are based on price action and confirmation. .... and again remember, time frame is key when you look at context.
I can say from experience, you will extract the MOST profit out of the market by trend following AND limit your risk (losses).
Trading is SUPER HARD. Investing and achieving superior returns is a challenge. I can tell you I am WRONG more than right even trend following. Sometimes, such as these past few years, the market hasnt given much... and a lot of times a trend is there but I get stopped out. The stops add up. Nothing works, at all. Why? Because market conditions are not there. So does this mean then trend following is a waste?
No, because the beauty of trend following with stops is that eventually a trend WILL catch and establish itself and will more than MAKE UP FOR any losses incurred by stops or unforeseen events and then some. Furthermore, by following trends, a trader has it easier to follow the money, to set a stop, to limit his risk. You can still be wrong 60% of the time in the markets and STILL make a huge killing in markets by following trends.
Remember, the rule, going back over a 100 years is "we buy assets making yearly highs and sell assets making yearly lows". Very simple concept and I think because of this simplicity that fellow traders and the general public are always many steps behind the market and trip themselves up and perhaps even over think things in markets and make them more complex than they really are.
Finally, seeing the continued push higher in the summer months here by gold and silver, when most things dont do much, should be consider a positive, gives us further proof, as expressed by price action, of how strong the trend is, to even make yearly highs in one of the more boring times in the markets.
@Zach
I would suggest this. First, when you take a position, do everything manually, your stops, your trailing stops. Also, because of the volatility in PMs, commodities in general, a percentage stop would be better.
Secondly, if you, or anyone else has missed the move from February, just exercise patience and have the resolve to sit and wait for a better entry point. Part of the success in markets is to patiently wait for a proper entry.
Seeing that recently gold and silver have had nice runs in the past few weeks, it would not be wise to run out and grab silver, as an example, at the next 52 high week high. Now you might be saying "but you just said to buy the yearly highs!!". True, but remember we also want to be buying the yearly highs when they start, usually in the order of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd break out, not after multi-week runs.
So Zach, I say, resolve in your mind to be patient and wait. You could
1- allow for a nice pull back with some basing and wait until silver makes a fresh yearly high to buy it and apply the same concept to buying the miners
2- if you buy the pull back, make sure you understand your levels so that if the pull back gets deep, you dont fret when it runs lower on you.
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Valued Member
United States
455 Posts |
9:22 CT We just broke $21.00. Webekin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
738 Posts |
Thank You, Great Britain!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
when "we" come back online, as in the US markets, which really are the most important and the only ones that matter, let us see how price expands here seeing we have the holiday off.
Seeing futures busted the 20s, into 21, I tend to follow the rule of 5's... so as an example, based again solely on price and no prediction but numbers like to gravitate in such manner,, let us use silver as an an example.
We here in the 18's, pushing towards 20s. Breaking 20s, I would not be surprised that since we hit 21, 25 in time is next and so on.
Counter that with, again, overhead resistance, or supply, where there are natural areas sellers get in, get out or sell short. Totally normal and should be expected.
Enjoy the run up. I tend to always keep in mind the pull back will happen and be violent. After all, we have a 4 year downtrend that was broken but with overhead levels buyers will have to chew through.
Just take it day by day, enjoy the ride but view it not with emotion or any sort of attachment, just that the trend is putting in the work, price is for now following the path of LEAST resistance, which now has changed to up.
Final thought is on gold. I am curious to see if gold ramps up and if it does, is 1,400 now the next stop? I have no clue, no crystal ball, just following and observing price. Does silver pull up gold? Or was just silver pushing and making up ground here? Watching price and observing as always...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
Yup, why would you suggest the US trading markets are the only ones that matter? Lately, it seems the off times have provided some dramatic moves (e.g., Gold the night of the Brexit). In addition, silver has moved up considerably since last Friday's close.
You often use the word "clues" in your posts. Wouldn't these overnight markets provide "clues" on the world-wide pulse of the market?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1205 Posts |
@ mONTANA..for a few weeks, I kept meticulous notes on opening/closing of overseas and NY markets, to see if any trends formed(up overnight, should bring up next day, down overnight should bring down next day, etc...)...while my data base was very short, I reached a final conclusion that whatever happened overseas overnight didn't make any difference...the statistics went so close to dead even, I stopped taking notes. In other words, nothing was predicible, too many days of UP overnight...DOWN NY, and, DOWN overseas, then, UP NY...I'm sure a geek good with crunching numbers could reveal some possible long-term clues, but, the final data really would be useful for "day traders", making an odds bet. I think YUPS point is, the FUTURES action(NY), is where the action is. Overseas is not a futures market. Correct me if wrong, but, I'm pretty sure the overseas moves are all directed at "real-time" sales. I know 1 thing, it all is VERY complicated, these exchanges, where they are, what rules they go by, and, it made my poor mind fuzzy.... I don't think the futures market used to exist..it is a fairly new way to play the game. I would LOVE someone who could tell us, in a historical format, from 1971, when Nixon ended all gold dealings, to present, how gold is sold, where, and, who REALLY developed the futures market, and why..I've read all kinds of crap that involves the usual suspects of The Government, Ft. Knox, Hidden Dark forces, you know the drill....blah blah blah....
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
I think that many of the people that trade in the futures markets are buying stuff they really don't need with money that really isn't theirs 
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