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Pillar of the Community
United States
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ILike,
Thanks for the post.
The biggest move in the past month took place overnight and largely held the next day. We went from around $1260 to over $1300. These prices have held and have not given back. IMO, it's a bit of a chicken and egg debate.
With that said, I'm really interested in what tomorrow brings. Those in the US have had to sit on the sidelines while the price of silver has gone up about a buck. I wouldn't have a guess (other than a coin flip) if AG is going up or down tomorrow. I suppose I would say up as a complete guess.
Edited by MontanaCMR 07/04/2016 8:25 pm
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Valued Member
United States
245 Posts |
This is one of my favorite threads on the internet! It's very informative and educational, although I find myself trying to understand some of the concepts.
I'm just glad that I made the simple decision last summer to buy gold and silver. I could sell right now and make a decent profit off of my 15 ounces of gold. I'm not selling though, I will sell half of my stash at 1400 or so.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
@MontanaCMR
The worlds biggest banks, trading desks, firms all run their biggest portions through the US futures markets, at the top being CME, then you have ICE.
The US futures market dwarfs the entire world futures markets and the amount of volume traded, liquidity and participation outweighs any other other markets.
At the end of the day, what happens in the US is what happens and matters the most, not anywhere else.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
746 Posts |
Wow, you weren't kidding about a violent pullback, Yup! And so quick too... silver dropped to nearly $19.50... it felt like we were falling off a cliff...  Is this the kind of pullback behavior we can expect for the next while? 
Edited by allspice 07/04/2016 9:54 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3049 Posts |
YUP:
Back on page #261 of this thread I asked you a few questions and you answered them fantastically!!
I have started to digest what you have said .... (Personally I'm getting married and buying another house -renting the existing one- all in the next 2 months) After this "storm" I figure I'll take what money I have left and start investing back into the market again and try to be a bit "aggressive" with it.. as in the past I've been more of the "couch potato" investor.
Do you have any books that you would recommend that you have found insightful and resourceful?
The next week or so I'm going to play around with that Finviz.com site to learn how to use a "platform" to track the market.. and may have some more questions on that as I go.... I'm also going to read up on that website stocktwits.com
It's funny I thought with summer the PM market would be quite and in the last few days it's really been exciting watching silver do so well....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1804 Posts |
IMO Floor traders were just cleaning out the "STOPS" Holidays are natoreuos thin markets 
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Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
Markets go up and down. Follow the trend. Do not put any more into precious metals than you can afford to lose. It is more a holder of value than an investment.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Its more than markets go up and down. More to the point, markets have price levels and patterns where the likelihood of a pull back or run up happen.
Commodities are notorious for having these wild moves, even if they are trending. Domain555 makes the point that I know from experience that yes, holiday trading is veryyyyy thin and so moves are going to really be pronounced and exaggerated in the Futures market, especially overnight.
Again, I wouldnt really read too much into other markets moves and not too much into our overnight sessions, especially if you have a shorter time frame. There are traders who are just enjoying these wild moves as we speak.
I do think the ride in PMs, despite being in an uptrend, will be bumpy, which I have said since the start. Again, LOTS of overhead resistance, sellers will step in, remember "price has memory".
@AgcoinAu
Favorite books- I only have 6 books in my entire library. 3 I read over and over. 4 of them are about Livermore.
How To Trade In Stocks by Jesse Livermore is a must book, I have mentioned it here many times. He was one of the earliest traders to publish his work and share it, and this book is required reading by trading desks all over the world. No matter if it is a large or small firm or independent traders, this book is read and in everyone's library so to speak.
Reminiscences of a Stock Operator by Edwin Levfevre, a book based on Livermore's experiences, written while Jesse was a live.
Technical Analysis of Stock Trends Edwards Maggee Bassettti, very ollllld book, getting its start in 1893 but is updated, charts included are from the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, etc.. up to now. They issue new editions every few years but only with some updated preface, a few charts from this decade, etc. Why have they continued with the same charts from DECADES ago?
Because price patterns and trends have NOT changed since the day markets opened. As they say, there is NOTHING new in markets, it has all happened before and this book does a great job of putting it that in perspective. Very technical in nature but if you can grasp price action and trends, this will help you understand the patterns that play out.
What I learned Losing a Million Dollars- Jim Paul and Brendan Moynihan
A Modern Day account of a trader who thinks he knows what he is doing, has tons and tons of money, thinks he knows best and then the worst things happen, all along he fights the market. Eventually, all the losing and loses add up and help him see what he is doing. You will enjoy reading this book which also emphasizes how having rules,discipline, including a game plan, that you consistently stick too, will help you avoid ruination in markets and helps you accept that losses are good, that they help limit risk.
Outside of that, I really dont read many books about trading or investing as I have found my edge in the markets and refined it over the years, which by now should be abundantly clear, which is trend following. That is not to say there aren't other great books out there but I prefer to limit what I read, keep it simple, stick to what works for me and refine always the edge I have, in trading you still are always learning, refining, improving, finding ways to extract more profit or lessen risk in the markets.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
well.. it looks for now, all the fun was over the holiday weekend and when our cash markets opened, that was it. Not surprising...
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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
Thanks yup. Going to wait on a pull back and consolidation as you said. In the meantime have bought and downloaded 'Reminiscences of a Stock Operator by Edwin Levfevre' to read so I can try and purge emotions from my trading.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Ok, again, notice how the moves are happening in the overnights session, new 52 highs again, this time for gold.
Will we see this carry into when the cash markets open. I mention the cash markets because that is where most of the liquidity, volume will be present, wherease these US overnight futures sessions are pretty thin and many times what happens in the overnight US session doesn't carry into the next morning...
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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@zack
yea just hang in there. I know a lot of traders who have already sold and moved on from gold and silver and now are awaiting for a proper entry to get back into gold and silver.
The beauty of a trend is it continues on and at a certain point, it does allow you a proper entry. All that is needed is patience and discipline.
I realize the first inclination among humans, when seeing something get away from them is, "heyyy if I dont grab it now, I am going to miss all of it." But remember what even Livermore said " No stock (asset) is too high to buy and no stock (asset) is too low to sell."
... and I will tell you this too, SOMETIMES, at the very end of a trend, when folks have missed the entire move thats been happening for a while now (and no, I am not referring to gold and silver) they jump at any chance to get in, not realizing that the asset has already run its course going higher.
But let's go back to silver and gold. Sooner or later there will be a good reset where prices stop making yearly highs, dive lower OR go into a consolidation mode. We have seen the PMs do this already this year so far. It will happen again. The market works in cycles. As an example, right now many defensive type assets are working and going higher and have been for MONTHS even before all this silly noise with the UK vote.
As an example, did you know that BEFORE the UK voted to get out of the EU, the US long bond was already making moves into yearly highs? Were you aware that utility stocks have been grinding higher for MONTHS and MONTHS before Brexit? Were you aware that the japanese Yen has been on the defensive also, making yearly highs?
In between these moves, all these defensive sectors nose dived and did nothing for 1-2 months before containing their uptrends. Why did this happen? For a time period, the market rotated out of these sectors into other sectors and then came back to these defensive assets.
In time, we will see some sort of rotation where the miners take a break, gold, silver, and other defensive assets before starting up again. Somewhere around there will provide a chance to get back in.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
I haven't read the LIvermore book, but his story is fascinating as I read about him on the Internet. It looks like his investments were a bit of a mixed bag, making millions and then filing for bankruptcy.
I've really enjoyed trying to learn about trend trading as it seems to have a much higher success percentage than many other trading strategies. However, it is a bit disconcerting to see even Livermore had to declare bankruptcy. I do want to lean about other strategies such as those employed by Warren Buffett.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Buuurp! Who's buying today 
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Valued Member
United States
154 Posts |
@Cascade Not me. I'm following yups' advice and just sitting tight, waiting on the pull back. I think (but I'm no expert, ie, I bought stock BEFORE the Brexit!) this recent run up in price is just driven by fear from the Brexit vote. Once people see the World isn't coming to an end there will be a sell off of the PM they've bought and put it back into stock. Hopefully the money will come into our stock market in the US. My target to buy is around $18.50. As I said, I'm a long way from expert, Liverpool would classify me as a sucker no doubt. With silver we are still in phase one of the bull run, so there's time to get in but I want to get in as low as possible with my next purchase. My physical I have I feel good about, as I've said, next purchase will be more physical and sell some of the stock I parked before the Brexit vote and put back into miners, then once phase two hits I'll be in a very good position. Phase two is when the general public takes notice of the rising price and jumps onboard, or so I've read. Supposedly Phase two will begin once silver hits $50/oz. With the volatility of silver, I would expect a nice pull back is coming and once consolidation occurs I plan on making my move as yup has recommended. Question. Has anyone read, or know anything about the strategy of moving your money from silver to gold and back again, based on the silver to gold ration? Have read a little about how one can double their silver holdings by doing this over time, but of course the author of the article wanted you to buy his strategy. Makes sense since gold isn't as volatile and you are always holding some kind of PM. An interesting concept. Would like to know more if anyone cares to share. @ Montana The Livermoore book "How To Trade in Stocks" is very educational. Some of it I didn't comprehend as I'm new to the market, but plan on reading it again down the road. One thing I did take away, but still working on is not to let your emotions rule your trading. I am doing better at keeping my fear in check. Fear when I'm in and see the numbers red, fear when I'm out and see the numbers green. By reading this book on Livermoore, one can learn from his mistakes so hopefully the reader will not repeat them. Currently reading "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". Not far in, but he has learned when a stock is going up, to let it ride instead of being conservative and taking small profits. Another book I've read and would recommend is "The Honest Guide to Stock Trading" by Llewelyn James. It's very informative on how to set up your screener for stocks. This is also where I learned about trailing stop losses which I utilized and my miners stock was sold out from underneath me  A costly lesson. Haven't used the trailing stop loss again, but do plan on initiating it once I've decided it's time to sell to try and get the most out of the stock before moving it back into miners. Disclaimer: I'm no expert and know nothing of value for making money in the market. For this I refer you to Mr. Yup.  z 
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