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Pillar of the Community
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notice how gold, in the overnight future session tested and broke the friday low, bounced and trying for the highs of the session.
Lesson is, dont waste your time watching the overnight sessions UNLESS you are trading futures. What you should observe, if you are going to watch the overnight session is any differences in the overnight session VERSUS what happens when our cash markets open and when gold starts trading on this side of the ocean.
I saw that because it is very common for the futures to reflect something entirely different when we open up here.
Now, let us not count a victory for gold. The area was tested and it did hold. Positive short term. Now, FOLLOW THROUGH is key and important here, the buyers will need to step it up here and push away from this area, starting tomorrow.
What we are looking for first are, in a shorter time frame, a series of higher highs and higher lows, which gets price going higher.
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Pillar of the Community
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Gold keeps probing the 1319s,, high probability that this will give way. The more an area keeps getting hit, the higher the likelihood that it gives way. So far, yesterdays LOD has not been broken (1317.20)but again, we keep the 1319s getting hit and thats no bueno.
Silver could follow this same pattern. See if it breaks yesterdays LOD which was 18.46.
I would say at this point silver and gold are acting heavy and the pull back has started, unless the buyers step it up soon, silver and gold go much lower from here so dont be surprised at all the red you will be seeing..
You are all getting a lesson on pull backs in an uptrend, especially with commodities. Pay attention and learn.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Yup..it's only the top of the 2nd inning here, so, the game has a long ways to go. Grab some peanuts and beers, and enjoy the journey.
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Pillar of the Community
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I do think, in terms of price and the trend it has started, however it will be bumpy, as everyone needs to remember we broke a 4 year downtrend and now as gold/silver go higher, we have to go through overhead supply and thats going to make things bumpy.
Dip buying might work but you will have to know your levels in price because some of these dips are going to be pretty deep.
This is how trends, markets work tho. While gold and silver sink and go into a period where they do nothing, other assets are rising. The market is always looking to see where assets are flowing and for now, gold and silver are going into a pause. This doesn't mean the up trend is done.
If you bought early in the year and just be sitting, you should just continue to sit and wait. Long term trend followers have no reason to sell.
If you bought recently, you probably bought wrong and late in the up trend. You will be no doubt be seeing your positions go under water even more going forward and that probably is going to make you feel hot under the collar. I cant stress enough how important it is to buy right. A lot of these issues are resolved by buying right, then mentally and emotionally you are not stressing nor questioning why you bought and saying "but but but I thought it was going higher."
Again, as gold and silver continue to slip, use this time to familiarize yourself with price action. Learn to identify important points in price. Pay attention to where gold and silver close each day etc.
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Pillar of the Community
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Here are some long term charts. Nixon closed the gold window on August 15th, 1971 so starting there till now, here are the charts.  
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Pillar of the Community
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Not much to say here other than more of the same...
gold continues to make lower highs, lower lows, indicative, in a shorter time frame, of prices confining to move lower.
Silver, hasnt broken, yet yesterdays low (18.60) but there's nothing to say it wont.
Both these will find support at some point but we have not seen that level yet.
Most likely, when we do, we will stop seeing these lower highs and lower lows change to higher highers and higher lows and perhaps a basing of sorts. Do not expect silver and gold to just rush back up to yearly highs again.
It will take sometime as bases form again. I repeat also, this is all normal. Pullbacks in up trends happen. There is a boatload of overhead resistance in terms of price.
There will be a lot of talk about "gold is topping" and "this is it for silver yada yada yada" but really without concrete evidence from PRICE, one cannot rush out and say the trend is done and over with.
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Pillar of the Community
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This is probably the dumbest question ever asked, but since I don't know, I hope you guys don't mind: How do I buy an Index such as XAU (instead of each individual stock) directly via an online brokerage (I have account with Optionshouse)? IS there an EFT similar to GLD or SLV (for gold and silver)? OR do I have to buy a Mutual Fund that contain XAU?
Thank you.
Edited by SA4H 09/01/2016 3:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I typed in XAU in my TD account, and, it said invalid ticker, so, you have to find something with it in it...index traded on the Philly exchange...interesting....
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Not sure I understand the question? The XAU is an index, you cant buy that index specifically, thats used as, for a benchmark of miners.
So how do you invest in an index similar to gold miners?
What I have done in the past, present is I like to buy both the ETF and mining names.
So I have done/do a combo of say GLDX/RGLD,GLD,FNV,GOLD and for silver SIL, SSRI, SLW.
The GLDX gives you a basket of mining companies, there is also GDX. This would be the easier way to mimic that index.
Preferably, if you do a mix of GLD, GLDX or GDX, and one good mining stock, you will clean house pretty good profit wise.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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A few thoughts for today-
Gold- we broke a 2 month range, and yet, we are barely a few points away from the low end of the range, I gotta say that thats not too bad. I was expecting easily a break into the 1300s. Instead, we closed at 1317, two points below the range.
Silver- we broke the lower end, about 2 weeks ago, the 19.60s and are pretty much off a point here as well. Again, not too bad considering we broke lower from a 2 month base, that should have seen a fair amount of selling give way. Remember that saying, the longer the base, the more we blast off into space, that amount of time, the more explosive the move, in whatever direction the range or base it is coming from.
In fact we can see silver has for about a week and a half been trading in a lower narrow range.
Based on price, unless this selling picks up, silver and gold are not that far away from getting back into their low end of their originals bases they came from.
Tomorrow should bring us some clues as to whether the selling continues OR the buyers step up and as always, we come into a Friday tomorrow, so the upcoming week should give us more clarity and we might have to wait until then to see what happens.
You might recall also, IF you been following the price action closely and watching closely gold and silver, even when this uptrend started, gold and silver would break higher into a range, then break below it, fall a little more and then a bid would come in and bring things back on track. To me, thats what this price action is starting to feel like.
so for now, lets just wait and see if buying starts to come in soon.
Edited by yup7676 09/01/2016 6:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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and back into the range for gold, as it clears the lower end, hitting as high as 1334 today, remember our low end was the 1319s
Silver needs to get back into its range, the low end again, that it came out of was the 19.60s. We will want to see if it can be pushed back up into that range.
Next week should be interesting, as we will get to see if gold and silver work to get back on track.
As I finish typing this up, note how countless miners, are, despite pushing higher at the open, are now back off from their high of day and reversing. At first glance, I am not too surprised, as usually the first 40 minutes to an hour of trade of each day should be ignored, to allow things to calibrate. Also remember, the MOST important thing is HOW things are closed, so thats something else to watch.
Edited by yup7676 09/02/2016 10:40 am
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Pillar of the Community
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well, back into the ranges after breaking them last week.
Both gold and silver are making higher highs and higher lows.
Was that it for the dip? Will gold and silver make a run at the yearly highs from here? How will overhead supply from the previous weeks slow down gold and silver? These all will have to be dealt with on the way back up in even in this range.
For now tho, price action is constructive and we have gotten back into the ranges, very similar price action to early in the year.
The final note I want to make is that for the seasonality trackers, this month is one where silver doesn't do well. The way to approach seasonal trend is this- be ware of them, however, always DIFFER first to price action, if it does again seasonal trends, you trust price action over seasonality patterns, always.
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm not sure I quite understand this "always DIFFER first to price action". I thought September was the month the big buyers come back. Have enjoyed the bounce back in silver price lately, but if it goes down will just buy some more :-)
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Pillar of the Community
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@Zack
When it comes to seasonal trends versus price, you always go with price. Nothing trumps price action, not even seasonal trends.
September, in terms of seasonality, is not usually "kind" to silver. However, if the price action in silver is constructive to buying, then throw out seasonality that says "September is bad for silver"
Just because market participants are coming back to the market does NOT mean all assets rise. The LACK of market participants adds to the volatility in assets in July and August, volume levels, as an example, are so pathetic and that is because just about everyone is gone.
Be careful in confusing things, again, dont assume because market participants are back that silver/gold HAS to rise.
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