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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 09/06/2016  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks YUP..curious when the "GOOD" months usually are? Last year at this time, silver kept having shortages, due to the low price, and demand over the top...this year, the mint can't give em away.
For contrarians, or, those interested in reading something a little different, try this:(I always had a feeling China could possibly change the bullion world with their currency changes coming into effect, and, their long history of importing gold from the west.
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When China Confiscates Gold- Get Silver like JPM
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http://www.marketslant.com/articles...er-jp-morgan
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 Posted 09/06/2016  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll just say this-

the market environment, looking at whats making 52 highs or getting close to them, is full of EMs. I say risk on. (Has word gotten out to institutions that no Fed rates are going to happen?) Also, more and more oil related names near stock leadership.

My brain box, upstairs, based on experience, previous memory, if this continues to run up, reminds me of back when commodities were flying high, including gold, silver, EMs, oil names were in play and risk was on.

We'll see but things are looking like "risk is on", (China hotter than a pistol for weeks now) with a combo of EMs, oil, gold, etc.

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 Posted 09/07/2016  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zack6736 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EMs?
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 Posted 09/07/2016  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EMs = emerging markets
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 Posted 09/10/2016  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Huh, so was yesterdays action just more overblown reaction to the rate-hike boogeyman or what?
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 Posted 09/10/2016  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TMCD75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll tell you what, I'm SOOO sick of this rate hike boogeyman and it's market manipulations that cause hair trigger reactions in which folks with any money at all, lose 3-4k in a day.

Low interest rate policy is played out and I'm sick of not being able to make any money. Low interest rates are very good if you're looking to borrow money, but not worth a hoot if you've got 500k invested somewhere looking to make money.

If they raise the rates, it would only be a VERY small amount.
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 Posted 09/10/2016  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hear that...the markets react on "rumors"..and, 1 small hawkish talk by a fed dude, and wham, down we go...well, in the big picture of things, long term, none of this really matters..this crap happens(ups and downs) in young bull markets..mid bull markets...I have learned this year to not listen to the noise, and, expect the unexpected...that is, the market will do whatever it will do, regardless of outside events..gold and silver are full of surprises..good things lay ahead...it wont be easy, if your queasy, that's for sure...I'm in till the top, and long, so, it's going to be one heckofa ride.
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 Posted 09/10/2016  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TMCD75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely, I'm in the markets for the long haul. At 41, I figure I'm going to ride this horse for 20 more years.

I've got a really good buddy of mine that put $350k into the stock market in the early 2000s. By the time 2007/2008 rolled around, he had a tidy 700k. I saw the finance statement from Smith-Barney. Of course we all know what happened in the summer/fall of 2008, the stock markets were losing 300 points per day in daily trading. My buddy lost half of his 700k and was back to his original 350k and lost his nerve, he called his agent and pulled out. I can't say that I blame him, he was taking hit after hit and there was no way of knowing how much worse it would get. If he had kept his money in the market, it would've recovered and he would more than likely have over a million dollars right now.

I'm going to try and ride it for the next 20 years. It's a bumpy ride...but I've got plenty of silver and gold as a hedge, and adding! Good Luck!
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 Posted 09/10/2016  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty much the cycle of markets has been

1- Fed talks up rate hike

2- markets dump, go lower

3- Fed starts back tracking on rate hike

4- Markets levitate once again, coming back to all time highs.

Rinse and repeat.

You'll notice that markets broke lower, out of the range yesterday, hence why we saw such a strong move down. We had been consolidating, range bound in the SPX since mid July. The rubber band snapped, as it had been stretched and stretched.... or remember how I always say, "the longer the base, the more we blast off into space".

It was a very ugly move down, wiping out a lot of charts and a lot of technical damage has been done. Lots of sectors that were setting up just got washed out in one fell swoop yesterday and nothing was spared.

Typically, markets should continue to move lower from here as we got our resolution to the range. However, the one point I would like to make here is that dont be surprised if come next week, these losses are all negated and we are back at all time highs.

Not saying that happens, but thats been the pattern of late. Eventually, this pattern will stop and end. Perhaps this is where finally markets give it up and keep going lower. I have no crystal ball and do not predict the future. The key take away is simple tho- watch to see if after some more selling the markets rapidly are back at all time highs. If that doesn't happen, perhaps then we have a change in tone going forward.

EVENTUALLY this annoying range or pattern will be broken and we will either be continuing to grind higher OR the markets start on a downtrend that lasts. Do not get frustrated or impatient, we could be range bound in the overall market for years. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Only a handful of percentage points from all time yearly highs and then range bound for years... say what?


the past few weeks, some sectors, underneath were setting up, as if the market continues to price in no rate rise. As an example, I cannot tell you how huge the list was of REITs setting up near 52 highs. After yesterday, most of those names vanished.

The best thing to do is if you are unsure of whats going on is to just sit out this month, do nothing.

gold and silver charts to follow
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 Posted 09/10/2016  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
time for some charts- very simple charts on a monthly time frame with no indicators to keep things clean and simple, no clutter, LESS is more in charts and trading.

Gold


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Continues range bound since 6/24 and even tho we briefly broke the range in early September, gold managed to get right back into the range. I have to say that was pretty impressive seeing that the sideways action from 6/24 would have created enough energy to drag gold much lower once it broke the range and yet it didnt.

We have seen gold pull back this week, putting in a set of lower highs and lower lows since mid week. The question becomes: is gold next week going to test that lower end of the range once again? Please refer to the yellow arrow on the chart which indicates were we stand for the time being.



Silver


What-Happens-To-Gold-And-Silver-Next?-Look-Out-Below?


Silver has a little different look than gold, in fact it looks much weaker than gold. As we had talked a few weeks back, on 8/19 silver broke the range that it had held going back to 7/5. Note the break on the chart where the green arrow is.

Eventually, silver found support in the 18.60s and managed to get back into the previous range for a brief amount of time before it once again fell out of the range (please note the red arrow).

For next week, unless silver can get back into its previous range (between the aqua blue lines, the lower end that silver needs to enter back into is the 19.60s) there is the probability that it will want to retest the lower end of the 18.60s where it found support and bounced. Should next week find silver probing those 18.60s, the probabilities increase that 18.60 gets broken lower.


Both and silver and gold remain in up trends. Within these up trends, especially ones with overhead supply, you have to count on resistance, levels where sellers will be present. AFter all, after a 4 year downtrend, you have to count on sellers being present.

I know everyone is focused on the Fed and what they do, rate hike or not. All that should be considered noise and ignored. Better to pay attention to price action. Perhaps they do hike but gold and silver continue to move higher. Perhaps they dont and silver and gold do nothing at all. Point is- concentrate on what price action for the next move instead of guessing what happens.

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 Posted 09/12/2016  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
heads up, some miners getting a bounce here, as they bounce off the low end of their ranges...
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 Posted 09/15/2016  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
been super busy as back to the normal routine here of trading however will say this

gold- still sitting on the lower end of the range, again. We have been range bound in gold since 7/6/16.. and still in an uptrend, but short term time frame, just range bound. Make or break time again, does it break lower or bounce from here... watch and see

silver- also range bound, albeit, on the lower end of a second range. Again, still in an up trend but trapped in a range. Just as with gold, make or break time. does this lower end hold or does it give way?

In any case, which ever way we move, its going to be explosive, the next move, whether its up or down. This range is building a base and the move will be again, explosive.

lots of mining charts look busted, dragged down with gold and silver, short term they look ulgy. However, as I always tell you, its about time frame. Longer term, tho, they are in up trends.

Some are coming into areas where it is make or break time. Again, the move will be explosive here as well.

Mining stocks are tough to hold because of these violent swings. Hence why I stress you want to buy right and sit tight, to handle these violent swings like we are saying.

Gun to my head, I think we start to see these mining stocks start to move away from the lower end of the range, along with gold and silver. We remain in an up trend and so the probabilities remain for higher prices. We just remain tho, in a time period where these stocks, the mining stocks are really doing nada.

Next week should be fun.
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 Posted 09/15/2016  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Over time these prices tend to revert to their mean price given inflation. I see a huge spike starting in around 2010-11 and again in the last 6 months. If you bought gold now how much would it have to go up for you to be able to sell it and make a profit given the costs of storing and selling gold as a commodity? Would it need to double in price? Unless you are a very large seller you have to sell wholesale to someone who is going to sell retail. At least unless you have dealer's license or your own shop.
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@ terry8835, regarding PM liquidation challenge: I know that not all members on here have this luxury. However, if any of you live near a large population of Asian (where they have Gold/Jewelry store) then you can sell your physical gold/silver for spot (or even a bit higher, especially if they are Swiss gold) ON ANY WEEKDAYS. Their spread (btw buy & sell) is usually w/in $50/oz for gold.

The same can be done by selling to major online dealers such as APMEX etc, despite taking extra time to mail and risk of loosing your PM in the mail.
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 Posted 09/16/2016  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gold- early september lows being tested, if those dont hold, look out below. Not to scare anyone, just remember that the probabilities are high, if those get breached, that gold goes much lower.

silver- same story here, with the LOD already at 18.72, silver is touching that lower area, again if that breaks, down she goes.

this is not the time to panic. It just shows how in any asset you want to buy right, as the move starts, so you have a nice cushion to handle these moves. I keep repeating myself on this point so that hopefully it sinks in the mind of the reader.

... and yes we still REMAIN in up trends.
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