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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 05/17/2013  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If yesterday's intraday low was 22.09 and today's so far is 22.18 I am missing the lower lows.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup's figures are from GLD and SLV ETF's not the spot market.

The lows for SLV:
15-May = 21.78
16-May = 21.67
17-May = 21.41

Lows for GLD:
15-May = 134.49
16-May = 133.14
17-May = 131.47

Looking at the spot market silver's lowest low is a little better than yesterday but gold is not.
Kitco Silver:
15-May = 22.53
16-May = 22.19
17-May = 22.26

Kitco Gold:
15-May = 1392.50
16-May = 1372.30
17-May = 1359.60
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 Posted 05/17/2013  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@star

yes you are completely missing what I am saying. To keep everything simple and uniform, I am referring to GLD and SLV as proxies for those keeping score at home and it allows me a much easier way to illustrate much closer to the futures contracts, which are what I would rather discuss.

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 Posted 05/17/2013  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You miss my point while an ETF can be closely correlated is not the metal. If I was trying to report what was going on with Silver and Gold I would look at July futures not an ETF.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes but you are still missing my point- I started this thread and I stated a couple posts back that I will be using GLD and SLV as the proxies.

Therefore, trying to compare spot price and the ETFs is useless. I will not be going by spot price and therefore will only address either the price going by the futures market or the ETFs.

So again, I will only address the ETFs to keep things simple and gives a better look into the market.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just wanted to do this real time- as the markets move into all time highs and continue to climb, because of funds and institutionals, gold and silver continue to bleed lower.

There is no serious money that wants gold and silver going forward.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
going to be exciting next week,, as it appears gold and silver are ready for another leg down. However, if you have been following this thread closely, all the clues and signs of this have been pointed out to you.

This is how it will always work, there will be gaps, chop, a rise in price. Many many many will fall for this and assume that the price is now stable. We can see the folly in that, everyone who said gold was stable and silver, well, they were wrong.

The next scenarios now are- 1- gold and silver retest the yearly lows and 2- how far do they go past those yearly lows. I would expect silver if pressed hard, goes for 20 first. gold, if it breaks 1350, could easily go to 1300, those would be my first short term targets,

I would strongly advise against buying this dip, as everyone has seen, buying each and every dip is not wise, nor prudent and cost averaging a commodity is a sure way to blow your money.

Remember, gold and silver are stuck in a downtrend, and here we are years later and the path of least resistance is down. Those who attempt to go against this are getting steam rolled left and right.


What you decide to do is up to you but remember, better prices will be here if you just wait and watch.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pmz are SLOWLY dropping now, like 25 cents a day like nobody is watching or really noticing lol, or so that is what the powers to be seem to be thinking it appears....

Reminds me of one of those old Looney tunes cartoons where Elmer FUD or whoever is hiding in the mobile bush and is slowly trying to sneak up on Bugs bunny, and every time he turns around it is a little closer....

In pmz case closer to the bottom, where is the bottom I gotta ask?

I wish I knew in stone the bottom and how long it was gonna be there before it turns back north again....

Historically the scary thing about pmz looking back to early 80's, when the market bottomed out it took a long while (like over a quarter of a century) for it to recover eh.....

I know 2013 is different times, but will be interesting to follow in the weeks to come.....
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05/17/2013 8:38 pm
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 Posted 05/17/2013  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverdollar2011 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone's opinions about gold and silver are at an all time low now which is why folks who couldn't afford silver and gold at higher prices are stepping in.
Remember, when everyone wants to buy silver, wait for the market price to increase as demand goes up then sell immediately.
Today, I bought 10oz of silver.
with stocks, never catch a falling knife, but there is an exception to that with gold and silver.
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 Posted 05/18/2013  04:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They did the exact same thing last month. No profit maximizing seller would dump massive sales during the rollover. This is central banks with invntories of paper assets to sell which they have been buyng hand over fist. I'm looking to sell mine too. Nobody wants them. I've been slowly replacing my equities for gold. So this situation is much better than 2008 when there was no liquidity to be had expt for bonds. I bought a lot of stocks in 2010-2011, they have done well. Gold is out of favor now just as stocks were back then.
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05/18/2013 05:47 am
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 Posted 05/18/2013  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold is saying deflation ahead. And yes you may see gold go another 15% lower. However, the stock market is way over priced. Fed ex revenues, shipping, baltic dry freight are all headed down. This is why the push to distribute stocks.
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 Posted 05/18/2013  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I continue to expect to see $1,200 gold and now I am thinking $20 Silver, of course conditions change daily. The problem expectations is sometimes they happen, sometimes they happen but in a much different timeframe and sometimes they never occur. Strangely the best investment in the world over the past 12 months may have been Greek Bonds. Please note I am not a Financial Professional and my statements should be taken as someone's opinion and not investable.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013...-zone-peers/

"Greek bonds are on a roll.

Ten-year yields are at their lowest for three years, and prices have quadrupled from last summer's troughs, as fears of a Greek exit from the euro-zone recede and the country's debt rating improves."
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 Posted 05/18/2013  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Greek Bonds"

Or at this point for the last 3 years I wish I had just been buying/hoarding palladium lol as it has shown some real resiliency IMO.....
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05/18/2013 09:31 am
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 Posted 05/18/2013  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Corzine was right. Too bad about all the leverage!
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The long bond is dying on the vine, yields on lower dated t-bills are slowing rising, the dollar is rising and gold and silver have been falling hard. The economy IS getting better. The harder the negative people shout and scream that things are not getting better, the louder the roar gets that things are not going into the toliet and while growth might be slow, things are coming along fine.

QE from the Fed is coming to an eventual end as was shown by golds action. Now weeks later we are hearing trial balloons being fed by the Fed into the financial media about ending QE. It wont be overnight and sudden but this is how markets work, they discount and price in the future.

and why? because QE at its amount and speed isn't going to be needed going forward. Other countries perhaps will pick up the baton such as Japan. I expect this continued slide with gold and silver until they finally will find a base and just sit around a price range.


That's why gold and silver are being dumped and funds are and have been heading for the exit doors. Theres no use for sitting on gold and silver at these price levels.

Star talks about Greek bonds and doing well in them. He is right. But again, nothing new in that. Happens all the time, I had written about the Greek bonds a while ago, that they would be bought when the market priced in their value and they have, and they have risen. But the bonds were not bought at each and every drive down. They were picked up by the market when it finally realized its value, as set by the market. This happens all the time, across the board.

The same will happen with gold and silver. The phase we are in is one of discarding and bringing down the price to fully value the market environment going forward.

However, gold and silver offer no yield. They offer no sort of value, where in a stock as it slides, certain metrics can be used to evaluate a sort of fair value. Gold and silver are still a commodity, and the basic, simple rules applies to them as it applies to all other commodities, and that is the rule of supply and demand. Going forward, there is NOT a demand for gold and silver.

Finally, as Mr SilverHawk notes, yes, Pal is the leader and continues its momentum and as I updated the other thread the other day, this metal is still in its early stages. Its coming within striking distance of its yearly highs, a very good signal for trend following traders such as myself.. I am a buyer of Palladium as it makes yearly highs. I always buy on the way up, buy high to sell higher.

I think really everyone interested in metals should stop concentrating on gold and silver unless they are selling them short and focus on palladium if they are looking to buy.

I cant tell you how much money I see everyday flooding into the auto sector in the equity markets, its broad breadth and are market leaders which confirms and bodes well for the price action on the buy side with palladium. In fact I wouldn't doubt we actually start seeing mints making more palladium coins.
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