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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
GM folks-
quick note, for our proxy with GLD, lets see if they can fill the first gap.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
548 Posts |
I think this is just a small bump before the next big drop.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2019 Posts |
Interesting interview with Jim Rogers, legendary co-founder of the Quantum Fund with George Soros, author of Hot Commodities, and chairman of the private Beeland Holdings. Quote: Rogers: "This Is Too Insaneâ€"And I'm Afraid We're All Going To Suffer For The Rest Of This Decade" Quote: Commenting on the Fed's historical ability to control the bond market, Jim said, "We're getting to that point where either one of two things are going to happen; either central banks are going to stop all this [money printing], or the market is going to force them to stop it. It looks like we may be having a juncture of both...where the Fed is getting worried...and at the same time, the market is jumping in and saying, ‘Yes, it's insane what you're doing, and this has to end.' So we may have a healthy convergence of both. And if it's not ending now, it's going to end sometime in the next year, because this cannot go onâ€"it's too insane." Quote: When asked about the explosive riots occurring in Brazil, Jim warned to prepare for much more, in that, "This is the first time in history where you've had all the central banks in the world printing money at the same time. Europe, Japan, America, and the UK, all, are frantically trying to debase their currencies...I'm afraid that in the end, we're all going to suffer perhaps, worse then we ever have, with inflation, currency turmoil, and higher interest rates. As I say, this has never happened before, it's never been a good policy in the long run, so I'm afraid we're all going to suffer for the rest of this decade from this crazy, crazy money printing." Quote: As a final comment to investors looking to protect themselves from these impending disasters, Jim said, "The way to protect yourself is to own real assets...because that's the only thing which will protect you as currencies debase." "If you have money in the financial system and the financial system collapses," he added, "even though you may have done nothing wrongâ€"you may suffer because somebody else did something wrong. So you need to be very careful about where your assets are in the financial system, or have strict control over them yourself, so that you're not going to lose them." http://bullmarketthinking.com/jim-r...this-decade/
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Yes I agree, this bump up is temporary. I also think this will be a long drawn out process in finding where gold and silver find a floor, patience will be KEY!
So that said, folks shouldn't feel prices are going to run and leave them behind. We say how this process worked back in April, we could again see more of the same.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Today we got a second day of bounce from gold while silver took a pause.
Lets look on our proxies where both these stand
GLD- up into the gap. 122.88 is what we need to be looking at. Can gold stay in the gap, fill it and close it? That is the question, this 122.88 on the low end needs to be watched for now.
SLV- did nothing today. Here we are looking at 19.47 which first gets it into the gap. At this stage, SLV hasn't even gone into the gap so watch that.
So first we need to see these gaps filled, then watch as gold and silver work on the second gap fill. Doesn't this seem familiar? Well it is,,, because this same price action happened back in 4/15. We saw gold first go into the gap, almost fill it. Silver on the other hand, never filled that gap and eventually was knocked down.
So for now lets see if this turns into a narrow range trading range again. Be patient and give it time as I always say. Finally, repeat after me "I will not spend loads of cash on gold and silver for now". In other words, this is not the time to be buying, don't feel that gold and silver are done going lower and certainly do not feel that because the financial media is saying the worst is over that they are right and that indeed they will be right. Rather pay attention closely to the price and its movements.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
815 Posts |
GLD, SLV, gap, bounce, lingo, lingo.
I said it before, I will say it again, NONE of this analysis has had anything to do with the facts on the ground. Sounding like you know what you are talking about =/= knowing what you are talking about.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
I don't pretend to understand Yup's methodology. I do respect results. And I especially respect it from someone that doesn't have any skin in the game. Meaning he is not trolling for clients.
Maybe, just maybe he is just what he says he is. Someone who has done well and just wants to help others.
In any event I see no profit in following a thread you find disagreeable. While at the same time disparaging the posters remarks. There are thousands of threads on this board and I don't waste my time on those that I don't find informative.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
815 Posts |
I don't want to follow it, but for some reason, the site does not allow users to remove threads from the "recent topics" list, so this continually sits at the top, and continually is full of hot air. Gold and silver have had exactly TWO major events since, and including, the initial crash. None of this analysis is actually describing the activity on the ground for buyers of physical or paper gold, silver.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agreed with Kendall. Everything yups been saying is actually directly related to the facts on the ground, the stuff on silver pumping sites is what has nothing to do with it. Hes essentially just saying to watch the price and its behavior which gives you clues about its most likely next move. Its the same thing you would do with every other stock.
If any of the people who are pushing metals publicly actually believed what they were saying they wouldnt say a word about it and would be quietly buying up as much as they possibly could while they could. If you find a river you can pan for good amounts of gold you dont and tell all your friends and invite people to come take it, you quietly get as much as you can and once youre satisfied you got all the good stuff then you might tell some people a story about it years later.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
548 Posts |
I've got no problem with yup, in fact I enjoy his posts for the following reasons:
1) Important stuff he's said has turned out to be true. When there was that massive drop back in April a bunch of people went out and bought gold because they thought the price would never be that low again. Yup said to hold back and what happened? The price fell through the floor again and those people that bought gold in April got hammered.
2) He seems to have a careful attitude towards investments. He's not saying everyone should be buying gold or selling gold, he's just saying we should hold back and see what happens for the time being. That's good advice.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2130 Posts |
Anjohl, If you don't like or disagree with what is being posted, then don't read the thread. Your comments are offensive to say the least. You seem to disagree with all of Yupp's analysis. I'm curious Anjohl, what are your views on the PM market. Maybe you should start a thread of your own. If this comes across harsh, it was meant to.
Yupp, My apologies for going off topic.
Edited by chris12018 07/02/2013 06:47 am
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Valued Member
United States
410 Posts |
Quote: If any of the people who are pushing metals publicly actually believed what they were saying they wouldnt say a word about it and would be quietly buying up as much as they possibly could while they could. If you find a river you can pan for good amounts of gold you dont and tell all your friends and invite people to come take it, you quietly get as much as you can and once youre satisfied you got all the good stuff then you might tell some people a story about it years later. Exactly. If someone really believes that gold is going to double, triple, quadruple in price in the near future why would they be willing to sell it today for a 5% mark-up. Most of the "news" stories on sights pushing precious metals are simple ads intended to get people to buy more precious metals so that they companies can make their commission.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
616 Posts |
People who run business would easily sell at a 5% markup knowing they can restock and sell again and again at a 5% markup. Who wants inventory risk or hedging expense. If you are in the business of selling you are concerned with volume and turnover not investing in the metals themselves.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
808 Posts |
There are a number of strategies and methods for analyzing the markets. That said, I may not agree with every analysis posted but I usually appreciate the time and effort our forum members take out of their day to share some knowledge and ideas.
If anyone wants to post a counter argument or, better yet, post an analysis of their own, please share. Alternatively, if you just don't like what you see, skip it and move on to the next thread.
In this crazy market, no one has a monopoly on good ideas.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
Sadly, many times we as humans allow our strong bias for something to blind us from what is true and factual. As in the case of gold and silver, the price action, which never lies, is telling us that it is being dumped by institutional investors and funds. There is no serious buying going on.
An, in his case, wishes to disregard all the signals which are based on fact that gold and silver are going lower and not going anywhere. Why he does this I dont know but I can only imagine he has a strong bias towards gold and silver no matter what, which I think is pretty dangerous and reckless at this stage.
He is free to have his opinion and I do this for everyone, for the folks who can understand the logical progression of price movements. If the case was that we should be buying gold and silver, I would be laying out the reasons why price is saying we should be buyers. However, price is saying, stay away for now, be careful going forward.
Unfortunately, the public and yes even traders fall into the strong opinion/ego crowd where no matter what, they are sure that "X", no matter what, has to be bought or sold, whatever that asset is. But that is how markets are, how they react with humans. The dangerous thing is tho, only the market has the final ultimate say, and it gives clues, warnings and hints as to what it is saying about a certain asset and its direction. To go against it is never a winning proposition.
I was thinking the other day, I STILL keep hearing those commercials on radio about how now is the time to buy gold and how to protect yourself from the coming financial implosion....while gold and silver continue to fall. No serious money is buying gold and silver, they are selling it or already have sold out. If there was serious fund buying, we would not be at yearly lows, the volume would show us buyers with strong hands. We have none of that. No one is quietly buying gold nor silver. Prices dont slide when there is buying, rather they stabilize. Perhaps we need to see and hear more of the public start to agonize publicly how they are done with gold, how they are underwater and sick of it, perhaps a big nationwide closure of these "we buy your gold " shops and more and more front page newspaper and magazine covers stating "the death of gold" which might give us a clue that we are getting closer to some sort of floor. For now tho, I still hear the silly commercials about how you must buy gold now.
more later
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