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Helena And A Probus

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Hello! I purchased these two a few days ago and they arrived today however I am having a bit of trouble with the pair.
I have searched Wildwinds and I can't seem to find a Probus/front facing Sol with the XXIQ mintmark?

Helena-And-A-Probus

The second coin is described as:
" Helena, 337-340
FL.IVL.HELENE AVG R/PAX PUBLICA
Commemorative"
Is some one able to confirm this?

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Probus is listed in Sear as #12041 "Sol in facing quadriga ...... mint mark C M above XXI in exergue followed by officina mark P-V (=1-5) Cyzicus AD280" RIC 911
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About half of the mints of Probus did not identify themselves with a mint mark, however the 'Q' most probably stands for the 4th (quartio) officina.
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Thanks for the info! so does that mean what I thought was a 'Q' is actually a 'P'?
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Quote:
P-V


P = Prima = Workshop 1
S = Secunda = W 2
T = Teria = W3
Q = Quarta = W 4
V = Quinta = W 5

Yours is a Q so workshop No 4
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Well that explains it
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Ah, I get it now. Thanks you. Does anyone know anything about the Helena coin?
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As for the Helena AE4, it might be from the Trier mint.
Something like this:
Helena-And-A-Probus
http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/hele..._RIC_063.txt
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Excellent, thanks Masis
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Test:-

Does anyone know how they identified officina 6 for the Probus above?
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Nothing to add that wasn't already covered, but to say they are very nice coins.
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Does anyone know how they identified officina 6 for the Probus above?


The only other mark on these apart from those mentioned above and the Greek (A-B-Delta-Gamma-E-Z) marks is XXIIV.

Common sense would say it is for 4 but maybe its for 6

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Not IV or VI.
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What is the 'S' character in the lower left of the Probus reverse?
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S at the start of SOLI.
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Those are the only (12) marks I can find for CM marked coins from Cyzicus - also with a plain XXI.

There is a symbol used there, looks like a lower case 'h' with a horizontal bar at the top, is that it?

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