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Valued Member
United States
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I haven't started collecting any ancient coin, but I am absolutely fascinated by them. I worry this could be a very addictive and expensive facet of my coin hobby.
As I peruse the pictures here, I notice that a lot of the coinage has cracked edges like when you smash a meatball into a hamburger patty. Were the coins cast into a coin shape before being struck, or were they made into little balls and flattened by the die?
Also, are the dies themselves regularly found? It seems like the Romans would have gone through thousands of dies over the years. Were they retooled and reused or just abandoned and new dies made?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
870 Posts |
It IS very addicting. It does not have to be expensive. Many ancients can be had in wonderful condition for very reasonable prices.
The planchettes were not always perfect and small imperfections in them would result in flan cracks when struck.
Dies occasionally show up for sale but not very often. They will be much rarer than the thousands of coins that each die struck obviously. Many were often melted into new dies or other tools also because once the die is worn it is useless. When a coin is worn it was still worth something and was kept around.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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It IS very addicting.
All ancient coins have an irreguar shape, because they not struck within the constriction of a collar, as all modern coins are. You can see the same effect on the top of a well used cold chisel, where the edges of the top, where it has been repeatedly been hit by a hammer, have caused small splits around the edge.
My first coin was a Roman silver denarius of Antoninus Pius, in VF condition, with the modius and corn ears reverse. I have been reading on ancient coins for about 40 years now. It is part of who I am. My experience was probably one of the contributing factors to my niece taking up study in archeology. She recently was awarded a pHd, specialising in Roman sociology.
Many scholars over the last 100 years or so have been awarded pHd's in ancient study, including specialising in ancient coins. I have collected perhaps 100 books and papers on the subject of ancient coins. That comes with as a by product of 40 years of addiction. You never stop learning.
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Moderator
 United States
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It is very addicting. I stated collecting ancients a little over eleven years ago. Before that I collected world and US coins. It didn't take long to lose interest in those coin types and to devote my collecting to only ancient Roman and Byzantine coins along with some Chinese coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
SilverEye. Ancients are a lot fun! I suggest getting a couple from the Constantine the Great era to get your feet wet. Another type to look at is Gordian III silver; again quite affordable. If you can post your coin here before you buy. The folks here are very helpful!:) What I dig is the history and I think that many ancient collectors do. You might try vcoins to shop prices online and shop.
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 Australia
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Quote: Were the coins cast into a coin shape before being struck, or were they made into little balls and flattened by the die? Ancient coin production methods varied over time, and from place to place. Both of the techniques you describe were used to make ancient coins. Typically, for soft metals such as silver and gold, a small ball of metal of the required weight was used. In the Roman series, as the silver content got less and less, the metal became more and more brittle, so by around AD 200 preparing coins in the same old-fashioned way created very rough edges on the finished coins. Some bronze coin blanks were made in the same way, others were cast as little dish-shaped discs; the casting sprues would have had to have been filed away after striking. Sometimes, coin blanks were turned on a lathe-like apparatus prior to being struck, making the resultant coin smoother and rounder.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Expensive? My records for roman coins show that I have spent, including postage, about £85 (the second and third batch of ancients scewed my prices as it was more expensive than usual at over £1 per coin). I have 39 rulers over 133 coins and I hope to get rulers 40 and 41 soon courtesy of a generous forum member.
My collection isn't high value or high quality - I have a few good coins (Constantine II in consular robes is probably my best) - but its very good historically. I've got some rare types - in poor condition - and I've learnt a lot and had a lot of fun doing it. I've got some rare people - Eudoxia, Marcian, Leo I.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When I began collecting 'ancients' circa 1977 I would buy whatever caught my eye and whatever I could afford. I was young and poor but would on occasion spend a week's pay for a handful of ancients. At this time the BBC series of "I CLAVDIVS" was shown on PBS and directed my attention toward the 'Julio Claudian' Emperors which tended to limit the quantity of coins I could afford (nice early Imperial can be pricey). Around this same time I realized that I could never afford all the coins I wanted to buy so perhaps I had better set some limits around my purchases. I have wandered of course on occasion as a good deal should always be considered but concentrating on one subject or denomination can help focus your collection.
My best advice would be to read some history first and decide what interests you the most (Greek Roman Celtic etc.) Then decide how to focus the collection (period geography culture etc.) Ancient coins can be like fine art, no two are exactly the same and beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder. As far as Roman Imperials go nice coins of 'nice' Emperors can be had for under $50. Everybody tends to like the real nasty Emperors so Caligula Nero et al tend to be pricy while the nice guys like Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius are more affordable. If you 'like' Roman and Greek buy an old copy of one of the David R Sear 'Roman Imperial' or 'Greek' Coins and their Values. Thirty year old plus hardcovers can be found for under $30. You will learn by reading. Personally I would advise that if you want to go Greek ..... Find a decent Alexander III drachm to start off. If you want to go Roman Imperial then look for an Augustus bronze and start from there. Your budget and interests will determine the course to follow from there.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Most people start with Romans by just wildly buying anything that they like the look of and trying to assemble one of every Emperor. After a few years they know what they like and specialise usually giving up on or completing about 75% of the Emperors (they remaining 25% are prohibitively expensive) some regret their earlier buys but I think its a necessary and enjoyable experience. The sheer scale of ancients is so large its possible for even a relatively new collector to specialise in a small area and become somewhat of an 'expert' in it within a couple of years. Dont worry about cost, this does not have to be a pricey hobby and the history behind the coins blows away any and all modern coins. Join us on the darkside SilverEye 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: this does not have to be a pricey hobby and the history behind the coins blows away any and all modern coins.  
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