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Frank Peri's Avatar
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 Posted 02/25/2013  8:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Frank Peri to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As I stated before I'm still a newbie collecting coins (Morgans) for first time. Had lots of great comments back from the community from my questions. Since I started down the path of a date set of only MS 63s I'll probably complete the task. Then move on. After looking at a gazillion pics on ebay to "improve" my eye. I am amazed at the variations in quality within the MS63 grade from one of the premier 3P grading firms! I'm buying the coins I think are "better" But if the 3P service was designed to give a level playing field on grade evaluations I really wonder if that is the case. So what is their real value? I recognize grading is subjective and sometimes in the eye of the beholder. But a really nice non slab coin seems to give me the same feeling. In collecting and selling/buying coins (Morgans) the mystique of 3P services doesn't look very appealing. I need to build some grading confidence with non slabbed coins. What is the best case on why would I want to continue with slabs? Would love some other opinions.
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 Posted 02/26/2013  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I mentioned in your other post.. I also predominantly collect Morgan's and personally I avoid buying slabbed unless the coin itself, regardless of grade really stands out to me, and even then there's a good chance its getting cracked out. And I rarely rarely rarely send coins in for grading unless its a variety I want attributed on a label, a highly counterfeited coin or high grade and for resale.

But mainly because of what you just asked.. Inconsistencies with grading, not just among the top 3 graders (and all others) but even among themselves.. If you send a coin to say PCGS... Wait a few months, crack it out and resubmit it, it could very well come back differently. If it comes back cleaned, some people crack them out and send them to another company and it comes back okay... So on so forth...

If you go on ebay, Heritage, other auction sites or a coin shop with a good selection and pull/look at all the MS-66 or 67 Morgan's out and look at them you will find that there's a good number that are graded inconsistently. I love "cherry picking" slabbed coins for under graded ones.. Or PL/DMPL ones that wern't attributed.. It's fairly easy to do with the slab in hand.. Offline is a bit harder. But that's just my opinion and from my experiences. Not to even get into eye appeal... But some super common Morgan's with "monster" rainbow toning get up to a couple grand each.. Whereas you could find a untoned one for very cheap. Value is all relative to what people are willing to pay and how bad they want it.

So I prefer raw... And although I'm no pro on grading, at least with Morgan's I'm pretty darn close.. And for me, not looking for a specific grade, more so for coins that appeal to me helps alot (but nothing below AU except semi's/keys, and only AU low MS if the coin has major appeal/toning to me). Also... I rarely buy offline.. Find a local coin store or a few that have good selections and spend alot of time there. Just make sure you find a good person who honestly grades coins. This can be a challenge.

I have a great shop I frequent.. I've been going to mainly one shop for over a year now and I sometimes, actually quite often, I just go there to hang out. They have coffee and snacks and have no problem whatsoever with me bringing in my 11 month old daughter and hanging out for half the day without buying a thing, heck, I change her diaper on one of the table's, lol. (okay, okay.. Alot of the time I just cant help myself and buy at least something, lol, but sometimes not)

I bring in coins I buy elsewhere and he goes over them with me, and walks me through as to why it gets a certain grade. Him, the other worker, a few other regulars as well as myself just go over and discuss coins. Honestly I trust his word on grade more than anyone in the worlds.. Hes been a long time collector as well as shop owner and just loves everything to do with coins and loves to help! If I buy a coin and bring it in and he tells me the truth about it.. If its been cleaned, altered.. Etc... And I'm glad he does, that honesty only helps me learn. Even raw coins he has for sale, he's completely open and tells me if they've been cleaned (although its not often at all he has cleaned coins out of the scrap bin unless they still hold a premium) and if he has a coin in a third party slab that he believes "doesn't make the grade" he'll charge what he feels it grades at... A truly stand up guy.

When I first went there I had him submit 11 Morgan's to PCGS for me, EVERY ONE came back exactly as he said it would, even the 5 he said were cleaned.. That was the last time I sent coins in just for grading. He's now my third party grader, lol.
By the way, He is one of those collectors who doesn't believe in slabs, he thinks it should be like it used to and people should grade for themselves. He only sends them in if a customer requests it.

So unless your buying a key/highly counterfeited coin and can either find a trustworthy, coin knowledgeable person or respectively grade for yourself I can't find any reason to pay a premium for a slabbed coin... But that's just my Two Cents worth.. Sorry for the rant...

Just out of curiousioty why do all of your Morgan's have to be strictly MS-63's? If you find a 62 or a 65 etc that appeals to you why not buy it? To me coins are all about appeal to personal preference.. And I've seen lower and higher graded coins that just stand out to me more.. It seems by choosing one grade your limiting your options? Like you said.. Even if you were to complete the full Morgan set in slabbed MS-63's.. If you were to crack them all out and resubmit them I'd be willing to bet that they wouldn't all come back 63's... So I'd honestly just go for coins that appeal to you, or say nothing less than a 60 or 62 etc but just ones you like opposed to strictly looking for 63's. are you getting all 63's for thoughts of resale down the road or just to try to get a set of all 63's? Sorry for the questions, just curious?
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 Posted 02/26/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Peri to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again Nathan thanks for the insights as I sort things out. I believe your interest in toned or rainbow coins is a big factor because certain coins will really pop for you and gain your interest. For some reason when I stated (2-3 weeks ago) I decided to collect a date set of silver coins as clean as possible so I started by relying on graded coins. There was no particular reason ... the colors were nice but too subjective and didn't interest me. I had purchased a proof SE from the US mint a while back and wow! wouldn't it be great to get a coin as close to that over 100 years old. Since I was new I couldn't get too far off base if I relied on graded coins that were "better than most" in quality...hence the interest in MS63's. I needed anchor points... grade not too low...not too high ... liquid, easily sold if necessary because of independent grading if necessary. BUT as you know the variations from grader to grader and from same grader in the same grade became puzzling and bothersome. I didn't want to just buy/collect coins without a strategy. I needed SOME basis for decision making. So I bounced between two approaches...buy MS63 only by cherry picking the good ones and/or not to exceed $100 per coin and buy the best I could. The latter strategy was driving me nuts. So it became buy 63's for the best competitive price UNDER $100 ...which itself is a challenge.


My cherry picking eye was (is) simple. If Miss Liberty's face looked like it was scarred from a bad car accident I was out. She could have a few scrapes,scratches and roughness that looked like a beard...that would be OK. And believe me some MS63 Liberties had some really bad car accidents followed by really bad surgery LOL. So now, because of your comments and others, I'm moving toward raw morgans but of high grade MS63ish. I still like the clean silver look but now out of their little coffins. Thats going to become my first complete date set ... nice quality, pristine, gleaming to look at ... and that one goes to the kids. THEN or concurrently I feel drawn to nice circulated coins rather than a sanitized collection. I suppose that means XF ? not sure, to experience and wonder over the romance of "where has this coin been?" I will probably fondle them too!! oh my!.
So I guess what this all means is that I am experiencing and understanding "collecting" in a compressed fashion. Many approaches, much to learn, love the hunt.
Will stay with those great morgans... move on to Liberties and then (dare I say) gold. Do you collect gold coins? ?

Finally I should mention I think we have a local shop I can trust. Their coin guy spent an hour with me explaining how to spell morgan and I bought some from him. The place has that old shop look...untidy but home spun like a comfortable old sofa if ya know what I mean. I used to have my boat in a boat yard like that. Like going back 50 years. I loved it.

Regards
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