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Extra Thick Morgan 1884-S?

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 Posted 04/03/2013  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve, what exactly about the first coin makes you say for sure it is fake? Not doubting, just wanting to know what you are seeing there.
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 Posted 04/04/2013  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@smokeriderdon - No problem. :-)

The short list, to be taken as a whole is:

1) The fact that it's too thick to fit in a standard capsule. - This is rather unusual to begin with, but is very common with copper core fakes; I mentioned earlier about the extra thickness bringing them up to the proper weight.

2) The odd doubled (and in some places tripled) denticles on both sides. - It would be very unusual for a genuine coin to have denticles that look like this as the only way for it to happen is if it was stacked with other coins with sharp rims and then struck hard. On a silver coin, with the force necessary, you'd see some flattening on the highest portions of the central devices, as well as on the rim, itself, where they start and stop. But here, we do not. This suggests strongly that it was struck that way.

3) The date, mint mark, and stars aren't quite right. - They're all a bit too soft and the level of wear on the stars doesn't quite match the rest of the coin. The same with some of the text like "DOLLAR" but it is not as pronounced. It's hard for counterfeiters to get this part right as it's such a sharp contrast on genuine coins.

4) The patina doesn't quite look natural with the wear on the coin. - Where this can never really be taken on its own, it enforces the possibility of forgery when taken into account with the rest.

I'm sure if I stare at it more I could find some more things to pick with it over, but these -- as a unit -- are pretty strong. :-)
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OK, that is pretty much what I was thinking as well. But I hate saying this and that just doesn't look right. The main thing that looks "off" to me is the eagle, but I can not quite figure what is off or if it is just me. LOL
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