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1780 Thaler - Austria - Details Needed

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 Posted 04/03/2013  12:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I just acquired this coin and feel that I paid too much.

After visiting NGC's grading site,

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...e-Guide.aspx

and inputting 'AUSTRIA 1780 Thaler' to the right of 'SEARCH TERMS' under the 'Search by coin' section six (6) different variations pop up.

Please choose the appropriate NGC category.

I basically would like to know if this coin is authentic or not and if any other web sites besides NGC are available to use for verification purposes.

I did drop this coin on the table and it does have the same distinctive ring tone that a Morgan silver dollar has, for example.

Are any of these coins marked with S.F. authentic and actually minted in 1780?

Any input insofar as its current value would be helpful in this case.

mdpmedia


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 Posted 04/04/2013  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!

I got your note about the older Thaler thread that you wanted to add a post to...

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=52868

It cannot be unlocked since it has been archived.
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If you follow the Hafner system - yours is an S.F. (with the periods positioned at half height of the letters.) This typically indicates a later restrike.

Earlier restrikes that actually used SF as the mint mark have periods placed at the base of the letters or they have colons.

Your coin has a type C shield with the small central point - seen on all post 1850 Austrian re-strikes.

The Cross X is a type e which is preceeded by the stop centered on the letter.

The clasp is type III the oval with pearls.

The diadem has 8 pearls.

The combination fits all of the post 1850 Austrian versions and as such is extremely common.

I know that some specialists subdivide number 50 into many sub-varieties but the value of those smaller varieties is limited by a very small interested group. These minor varieties only bring premiums in MS grades - they are all Trade dollar restrikes.

A coin in the grade range of yours would have to be one of the earlier pre-1850s varieties to get offers above melt and it is not one of those.

Sorry.
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 Posted 04/07/2013  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks swamperbob.

Your detailed explanation was just what I needed to learn.

Being that NGC's World Coin guide http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...e-Guide.aspx is very complete (except for the lack of accompanying photos on about 20% of all their related coin verbiage) and up-to-date pricewise on most all non-US coins, would you be able to select one of their currently featured varieties as adequately representing the coin that I currently have presented in this thread?

If so, please tell me which one to look at.

Finally, where is the best URL located to study The Hafner system you refer to in your last post?

Thanks,
mdpmedia
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mdpmedia Since your coin does not appear to be a proof die strike - I would place it under the very general classification

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...mSearch=true

That group is a VERY wide range - there are literally dozens of minro varieties included and a few that carry premiums for specialists, but as I said in the present grade it would bring near melt regardless of sub-variety.
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