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Won't let me email you as I'm a new member mine is Claire-joe@sky.com send me a message ill reply thanks
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Edited by rooneydog
04/23/2013 4:57 pm
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So have you seen one like this at all as alot of people are saying they haven't, British museum said it was holding gilding in the inner shield and there's some around the shield also and possibly stones in the crown, maybe it was a decorative worn piece... Unusual I've never seen anything like it
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Agreed it looks silver underneath the gilding. Sorry haven't seen anything like it before.
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Correction to my previous post. Portuguese India, 2 Xerafims. AR. Obv. Crowned arms divide O D (retrograde). Variant (cross). 1688.
KM 59
The weight is a little off but it looks a little clipped and chipped. Underweight is not a problem, overweight would set off alarm bells. Gilding came along at some point after minting, maye to pass it off locally as a higher denomination or just to make it look pretty.
The Retrograde O-D is what finally gave it away. The obverse shield is spot on for this issue. The reverse cross is a minor variant but examples of this style can be seen in Portuguese Malacca issues of this period.
See Saran Singh for a nice overview of Portuguese Malacca. If this thing is lead then it is a counterfeit.
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Do you have an example of this coin with an obverse legend? Most of the Portuguese India issues seem to lack one.
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The Xerafim of this date only had the shield with O-D and the cross on reverse with the date.
KM illustrates this piece.
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this is not made from lead I can tell you that now as museum have said its not lead but metal which was gilded so are we still thinking this is a coin then, if what era and any examples
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similarities, as it has a shield also, cross is alot different the on ont he object I have is square on the eds doesn't point out like that cross, also in each corner of the cross there is five pellets unlike the other one shown on the link, also we can see the d on this coin but I dont think the other letter the other is an "o", more like an F or an L
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In coins and heraldry, the "square ends" make a cross potent. This is one of the three things I feel we need to see before we can say we've identified this as a particular coin of Portuguese India or Portuguese Malacca: a cross potent, five pellets in each angle of the cross (instead of the numerals of the date), and a Latin legend. I think this was a good job in finding the mintmark letters to either side of the shield, though!
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From what I can see I think the smaller shield has anchor and rope in the centre from what I can make out, along the bottom there seems to be the number 8 and 0 of its a B and an O I have negative shots of this object you able to make out the anagrams more clearly if any wishes for these photos let me know
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