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 G6. when grading you must look at the overall coin. grading is very subjective. you can't always apply the exact verbiage of what a grade should be. this is where years of handling coins comes into play. in this case I agree with NathanASE comments in regards to wear and grade. |
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Just an example because your dates not worn off, but that's like saying a Morgan with the head and hair detail in the EF to AU range but has had some abnormal wear and the date was heavily worn would still grade at that EF/AU level. Aren't Morgans and large cents held to different standards? I have heard older coins are given more slack and different coins are held to different standards. I thought it might come back netted to VG, not all the down to G4. Sounds to me that coins under 1850s shouldn't sent in at all especially since striking was not so good back then. It is very possible it could have been Struck Through Grease or there was a striking issue, it was quite common. I didn't realize you were looking at the general guidelines of all large cents. Edited by buddy16cat
05/24/2013 3:57 pm
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Buddy16cat you have a 175 year old piece of U.S. history with what I believe to honest, but uneven wear and a weak(or grease filled strike). If a grease filled strike is the culprit, it wouldn't net the coin, it is mint error that doesn't fetch a premium on these since it was common. |
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Buddy16cat you have a 175 year old piece of U.S. history with what I believe to honest, but uneven wear and a weak(or grease filled strike). If a grease filled strike is the culprit, it wouldn't net the coin, it is mint error that doesn't fetch a premium on these since it was common. Here is a strike through grease penny with similar uneven wear: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...pic.asp?pic=http://www.custompicturegifts.com/ebay/grease%20filled%20die.jpg |
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[Up]Ya that one you just posted is a nice, more uncommon early date. But I dont know if I'd even put that one at AG, it looks more of an FR-02 to me, or a 2 1/2 maybe, lol. Still a nice example though! I'd be happy with either of them as there both date I don't have yet. My earliest is a 1820sm date. You asked for opinions and I know it's not what you were "hoping" for, but you got opinions from some people who know what there talkng about, there not "just messing with you" or something like that, there giving honest opinions. Again the coin as a whole needs to be taken into account... Even with the cords matching a VG the overall coin would be netted down due to the uncommon wear. You don't have to believe any of us, it really doesn't matter. You like the coin and that's all that matters.. We're not trying to say the coin isn't nice, it is nice... or that you got ripped off or anything like that. Were just trying to explain how a TPGing servise would view and grade this coin so you know for future reference. Again, if the grade means that much to you send it to ANACS just to see what they say... And then maybe you wouldn't think we're all crazy, lol.  |
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I agree that grease filled and weak strike should not technically affect grade. Send it in and see what the paid grading experts say. If you do, please post up the results:) My opinion has eaten crow before:) Yummy, dead crow is  |
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You know what, come to think of it, I don't know even think it matters about whether it is G4, G6, VG8, or even F-12 since there is little price jump between these grades. At least it isn't a "details" coin. Honestly I got them for 10 bucks a piece but got them wholesale since the guy knows I flip them on ebay although I am probably going to keep one of the braided hairs. |
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Our absolutely right, in these lower grades the price jump really doesn't make a difference. All that matters is that you like it. For $10 I'd say you did extremely well!! Extremely! Again, I'm really not trying to be rude or argue, I feel really bad that I couldn't concur with the grade you have it at, I really do. What other dates did you pick up?
Yes, of course Morgan's and large cents are held to a different standard, it was just a general example about grading, sorry for the bad example. I'll change my wording.. If a large cent had EF to AU details in the features but for some reason the date was worn off it would net lower...
And yes, I believe older coins may be given some lieniency in grading, but not that much.. When I think about more lieniency with older coins I think more so regarding past cleanings and such.
I've seen some coins pre 1850 with spectacular strikes, including large cents, so I don't know why nobody would send them in for grading. Actually the 1820sm date I have I found metal detecting and it's in immaculate condition!! Like EF/AU, it's really unbelievable as it was found in the ground. It had a small spot of verdigris that came off with hot water but other than that it's in great condition and a spectacular strike. I also found a 1846 that's beyond horrible... Worn to heck and corroded..
And I agree a grease filled strike or weak strike should not net it lower.. I'm just not sure that's the case here (I'm not sure it's not either). I find it odd that the wear is in the same spot on both sides (upper right obverse, same spot on the lower left reverse) and honestly I'm not sure what would cause that. And I also agree I will gladly eat crow, honestly I hope it does grade higher, I'm just not seeing it.
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I also got 2 braided hairs, one 1840 and one 1849. I was thinking I should have got more but can always go back. I am actually going to flip both the matron heads and one of the 1940 braided head. I actually just got a Matron head that won't seem to sell so I will just keep that one.
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Here is a head that looks G-4 although I would grade this as AG. I don't believe anyone would call this one G4. In fact, AG3 might be an over-grade. |
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I am not even going to go there. I didn't post that one to get graded. My point was the head looks like one on a G4 except the G04 has less blending of the rims although it has some. The PCGS Photograde coin in G04 has a bent rim. These are my opinions and do not state them as fact since I am not a grader. I am not going to go into the differences between a number grade or two. I know it is low grade, I bought it because it is a date I rarely see on those. I mostly see dates in the 30s listed. I am trying to get a better picture than this scan of the 1838 cent since it looks a lot better in hand than in this scan.
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05/24/2013 9:00 pm
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