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Old Coin Found While Stationed In Sicily

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 Posted 05/29/2013  6:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vortex62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, while in the Navy, I was stationed in Sicily back in the 90's I took a trip to Agrigento where I found this coin near an old roman amphitheatre. Made out of copper and I haven't a clue what country or year it could be. Any help would be appreciated.


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 Posted 05/29/2013  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Design looks like it could be Byzantine Empire...
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hello and welcome.

I agree the portrait looks Byzantine, kind of... but the rest of the coin does not. One thing you haven't told us is the size; it's a little hard to guess from those pics.

I have to add, I'm a little wary of the report on how it was found. Ancient coins usually aren't simply lying around in ruins, waiting to be picked up - they're buried underground. And a copper coin after more than 50 years sitting out in the open air would look definitely greenish; an ancient coin sitting exposed for a thousand years or more will resemble a green rock. They've found ancient Roman bronze coins that fell through the cracks of the Forum in Rome; exposed to the weather for 2000 years, there's nothing left of them but a green stain stuck to the rocks. I'm assuming you haven't cleaned your coin at all?

It is, however, common practice in that part of the world for people to "seed" ruins with replica coins for the tourists to find. Your coin may have been left behind under such circumstances, a modern replica the previous batch of tourists didn't find.
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I agree the coin does look Byzantine and is similar to those seen in the 8th and 9th centuries. The revere design could be what's left of the letter M indicating that it's a follis. However the letters below that should be a mint mark but not one that I'm familiar with.

The coin does appear that have age, but as Sap indicated if it were exposed to the environment it wouldn't look that way. Do you know if any digs were on going at that time in the area? It might have been exposed from something like that and just overlooked.
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I remember when I found it, it was all green and my wife try to clean it up. Here are some more pics to see the size of it. It was found off the beaten path probably bout 50 yards from the Ampitheather. No digs was going on. I do believe it is Byzantine as well maybe along the lines of Justinian II. I just have to do more research. Thanks for all the help!

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It does look a bit like Justinian II possibly from the Carthage mint, but I can't pin down the reference for it.
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 Posted 05/30/2013  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sicily has a very complicated history. Perhaps a Norman 'crusader' coin overstruck on a Byzantine ?
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looks like it may be a "leo"...iii or v?
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Fine quality, likely of Justinian II.
Mintmark CCL (Syracuse),
"Sear" Example 1296 below:
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http://wildwinds.com/coins/byz/justinian_II/i.html

Don't see Justinian holding anything like an "akakia" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akakia)in his left hand, so if he is only holding the "globus cruciger" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger), with his right hand, then it is more likely to be type 1295.

Sear notes that the 1294-95 types were often overstruck on the folles of the previous reigns.
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Thanks again everyone for the help!!
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