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1904 O Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 06/11/2013  6:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Seller says AU but dipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1904-O-Morg...ig_cvip=true

Above the ear and the breast feathers look smooth to me. No where even close to AU right?
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 Posted 06/11/2013  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd wager this left the mint without hair over the ear and breast feathers.
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06/11/2013 7:14 pm
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 Posted 06/11/2013  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks buffed to me. Look at the halo around the each digit of the date and the stars around 4 o'clock
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 Posted 06/11/2013  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the color and appearance as well as what looks like a weak strike, I want to say it is a Chinese cast copy.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a weak strike to me but could be a counterfeit. My advice? Don't buy it. Better to be safe than sorry. I've had coin troubles with ebay before.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like the fine fellows before me suggested.... leave this one alone, it has many suspicious issues.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a weak strike. I can see it as an AU details.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weak Strike? Really?

The strike can be so weak that no breast feathers show at all?

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 Posted 06/12/2013  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The strike can be so weak that no breast feathers show at all?


Yes, You can find MS graded examples in TPG holders. I'm talking about PCGS, NGC and ANACS not basement slabs. I've seen some weaker strikes than this one.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weak Strike? Really?
New Orleans Mint was known for extremely weak strikes.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some early 1900's Os do come with extremely weak strikes as this one displays. The coin looks AU details as it was not dipped but harshly cleaned.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not a "weak strike." Look at the talons and the largest leaves at the bottom of the wreath. On the obverse, there's plenty of detail in the cotton bolls and at the bottom of the hair. These are all areas where a strike this seemingly-weak will show. This thing barely makes EF.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would *think* that a weak strike would show more on the low points of a coin rather than the high points.
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bobby131313. think about the die. the high devices are actually sunk into the die so that they are raised, everything is mirrored. the part of a planchet to be struck first is actually the the surface. a soft strike would then show on the high points as it takes more pressure to force the metal into the die. thats why the lower devices look sharp and clean and the higher devices are weaker.
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 Posted 06/12/2013  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, you're right, I realized it about 2 minutes after I posted.
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