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Love 'em! 1837 Feuchtwanger Three Cent. Low 117 This is counterstamped JMP, and is second finest of six knows. Ex. Virgil Brand-Michael Brand Zeddis-Dice Hicks Collection.   |
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That is so cool! LOVE the eagle! Feutchwanger! That is coolest name ever. Is it possible to buy one for middle class money? Condition is not an object
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 ambro51 to CCF! That is an amazing Feuchtwanger Three Cent!  Great eye appeal and the counter stamp is really cool! I am not by any means a pro with these. Comparing yours to the example in RedBook I see that there is some differences in design. Are there a lot of varieties of the Feuchtwanger? @ rachums107. I have seen Feuchtwanger one cent pieces at local shops for between $75-140. |
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There are four (or six) varieties. Low 117 is pictured, next is the New York coat of arms, Low 118. Next is Low 119, which is a proof and about five exist and a lower pressire strike with 2 business strikes known. In 1864 Feuchtwanger tried again , there are about 30 of these known, this one is second finest known PCGS MS63 CAC ex. Eliasberg.   |
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Welcome aboard, Ambro51. This token sure is a beauty! It's long been on my "Would love to own one" list. Regarding the counterstamp, I have come up with a POTENTIAL issuer. The mark appears to be the size and style that a fine craftsman, a metal worker, like a watchmaker, silversmith or jeweler might use. Dr. Feuchtwanger is prominently listed in Longworth's 1837 NY City directory: http://books.google.com/books?id=ho...nger&f=falseThe "P" listings aren't as plentiful as many other letters of the alphabet. Sadly, the first initial "J" (JMP) is quite common. On the plus side, the middle initial "M" is relatively uncommon; this, to my experience in searching early directories. So, I did a quick scan, focusing on the "M" as a middle initial, within the 1837 directory and found: http://books.google.com/books?id=ho...%20M&f=falseJames M. Parker was a contemporary jeweler who lived a mile or so from Dr. Feuchtwanger. Given this close proximity and considering that jewelers would be likely customers of metalurgists, it's a reasonable assumption that Parker knew Feuchtwanger. Note that, like Dr. Feuchtwanger, Parker's business lasted for many years hence, into the 1850's. Since a few of the JMP counterstamps are on high grade tokens, it's my guess that the stamping occurred in 1837 or within a year or two later. I'd also guess that Feuchtwanger supplied JMP (possibly, Parker) with some of these tokens after which JMP stamped them for use. Perhaps, either JMP or Dr. Feuchtwanger would redeem them? Such an arrangement may have been an experiment of sorts? I'd say that there's a fair CHANCE that Parker MIGHT be the issuer of this counterstamp. If some early jewelry or a pocket watch someday surfaces with the mark, AND that article can be traced to Parker, then we'll have a solid attribution. To me, this is but one of thousands of puzzling counterstamps, awaiting a solution. The game is afoot ... |
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THAT is a very significant finding on the counterstamp! Feuchtwanger (pronounced Foikt'-vhang-er) was well connected and moved to many locations in NYC. The trick is finding another piece counterstamped. Rulau indicates at least one cent token is CS which he read as "MP". Great research again!! Here's one of my favorite one cent pieces , this is variety 4 E and is ex. Q David Bowers and is the plate coin for "100 Greatest US Medals and Tokens ". This is a very high grade, John Albanese (CAC) Called it high mint state.   |
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This is Low 118 the so called New York Shield. I think this was actually the only variety that was intended for circulation. There must have been several thousand struck and many are highly circulated. There are also a few UNCs but nothing proof like or on a polished planchet. A bit lighter weight and noticeably thinner than the Eagle 118 which is frequently seen with cracks. The later 119 and 1864 coin share a common even lighter flan. ~~~ some call Feuchtwanger engraving on the NY Shield amateurish.. Well, he DID forget to leave room for the last letter is excelsior! The figures are ghoulish, the scale sits off kilter yet balanced. The little bird is just plain silly. This is a PCGS XF40 CAC which I recently sold. It's sin? No traceable Pedigree. It "spot" is currently taken by a sharp AU that has a large as struck planchet flaw, something not uncommon with this Token. There's one particular coin I'm "waiting for" with the JJ Ford Pedigree.  .  |
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The Real rare bird is the "Screaming Chicken" Low 119 which I think was really struck in 1865, along with the 1864 backdated broad eagle. There was debate long ago when Rulau assigned his numbers and gave #265 to the business strike and #265a to the Proof. The proofs are put of this world with sharp detail, the plate pin in the RedBook was ex.Bowers and has a triple struck reverse! (ugh I should have bought it :-(. ). Total known of these is five. Now...they tried to eliminate # 265 as a business strike since all seen were proof like. I do make the case that this coin is a business strike due to opposing areas of detail weakness. Also, Fords second coin resembles this so that leaves two known as 265 (whew). This coin is also ex Bowers.  .  |
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Screaming Chicken? I own 500+ chickens. I need that coin.
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Absolutely super pics of these historically significant pieces! These pics rival those of CheetahCats. Sure wish my pics would come out half as fine.
Gotta love that screamin' chicken, too. That bird's a KFC ... Kinda Fantastic Coin!
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It's really ashamed in a way these are so "dark horse" and unfamiliar to collectors because of their rarity. One very curious thing I've seen is that a good percentage of the cent pieces were scratched with a sharp object back in the day possibly to try to understand if the thing was silver, I've never seen a scratched Three Cent, despite the fact they are close to the size of a quarter. Here's another low 118, note the curious indent close to where the counterstamp should be. It gave a very slight bend which was also mentioned in the lot description of this coin in the Matthew Stickney Sale catalog by Chapman in 1907. Luckily the coin was plated in the catalog and comparison of various marks on the coin confirms this as Stickneys example. Another coin ex. Bowers...a poster asked if any of these were affordable, this one was about 1K, Stacks Auction.  .  |
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