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chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 07/10/2013 11:26 pm picked up a small batch of chinese coins, their reverse is blank to so much to see.. here is the obverse side of the coins.. here is my best attempt at attribution left to right.. left:northern song, emperor hui zong, 1101-1125ad, "10 cash", chong ning zhong bao ("sublime, peaceful, heavy, currency...read top, bottom, left, right), 33mm, 9.3g. middle: northern song, emporer shen zong, 1068-1085ad, yuan feng tong bao (seal script?), 1 cash coin. 29mm, 5.9g rigth: tang dynasty, minted after 620ad...not sure exactly when...maybe as late as 907 (end of tang?), seems this type of coin was minted under different rulers? kai yuan tong bao, 25 mm, 3.4g. if anyone can tell me anything else or correct my attribution, I would appreciate it! where's GG (gil-galad)...isn't he a chinese coin expert? or was that BH (bob helm)? I sure as heck know it isn't me! Edited by chrsmat71 07/10/2013 11:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16867 Posts	Posted 07/11/2013 03:44 am Your attributions sound right to me. Quote: tang dynasty, minted after 620ad...not sure exactly when...maybe as late as 907 (end of tang?), seems this type of coin was minted under different rulers? kai yuan tong bao... Correct. The Kai Yuan tong bao coins hold the record for being the longest continually issued coinage design ever produced in the world, issued more or less unchanged from AD 621 until the collapse of the Dynasty in AD 907 - nearly 300 years. Experts can determine roughly when within that time period a coin might have been made, based on tiny differences in the characters which are too arcane for me to follow with assurance, but I think yours is "late type, right-shouldered yuan" (Hartill number 14.9) dating from after AD 732. Collectors are also forced to seek out all the different reverse markings and varieties. Yours has a "crescent" above the hole; this is reverse type "U" listed in Hartill. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 07/11/2013 10:38 am thanks sap! you know I was wondering about that mark on the reverse, I didn't know if that was corrosion or an actual intentional mark put on the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
bobbyhelmet Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2838 Posts	Posted 07/11/2013 10:48 am Very good, I'm trying to assemble a 'complete' set of Northern Song coins at the minute, it seems a nice way to pick up info on Cash as a whole. Its a very confusing area to anyone who has no previous history with the language and the scripts. I'm half way through the 50ish needed to collect all but the very rare Northern Songs. Report this Post to the Staff
Ancientnoob Pillar of the Community United States 5155 Posts	Posted 07/11/2013 9:31 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jcmworld Pillar of the Community United States 567 Posts	Posted 07/11/2013 10:52 pm The crescent has a story behind it. When the new moulds for the kai yuan cash was brought, along with samples of the coins, to the emperor for approval the empress signalled her approval (after the emperor approved) by making a fingernail mark on the clay moulds. The crescent was retained after that. Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4973 Posts	Posted 07/12/2013 12:30 am now that's an interesting story jcm, thanks for that. after looking around a bit I have seen it described as a "moon". pretty interesting for something that I thought was just some crud on the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
abcoin New Member United States 15 Posts	Posted 07/13/2013 01:11 am Very neat coins. Did you buy them uncleaned, or were they in their current condition when you bought them? Report this Post to the Staff
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