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Silver Maple Proof 2013?

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 Posted 08/30/2013  12:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chubbycheeks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Could someone shine some light on these coins for me please and thank you.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Reverse-P...em2c72051a6f

After market? But this is the first time I've seen someone do it so well, or do it at all for that matter.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interest. Don't look like reverse proofs but they look really good.

My question would be where were they "freshly minted"?
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks fake for a number of reasons.

1. No mention from RCM or its very vocal Canadian dealers and Reps about the release of proof SML this year. If it's a yet to be release coin, it's already late enough in the season for it to be a 2014 as oppose to 2013 coin

2. Details on the coins (veins on the leaf, edges of the leaf, and even the lettering) are substandard compared even to the standard BU SML

3. The sellers has no idea what he's/she's talking about. The pictures show proof finish coins and description reads reverse proof

4. The seller changed names recently, usually not a good sign

5. The seller sells plated gold bars and coins - states they are plated and advertise use as comparison to "real fake" bars but still, usually not a good sign

6. Under priced if they are real. 1989 proof SMLs can go upwards of $100-120. This seller is offering 2 for under $50. Now way the RCM would sell non-standard silver coins for that close to spot. Too good to be true = just that.

7. Can't be after market either. To modify a BU strike into a mirror PF strike, you'd have to roll the coin flat again to get the finish. I.E. pointless.

8. This many naked silver maple leafs coins and not one has a milk spot? Fake! :)
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08/30/2013 01:15 am
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@poboxw saved me a bunch of typing!

I agree that the "coins" being offered are fakes. The biggest warning sign is the lack of detail on the maple leaf - the RCM produces much better quality. Also, the fact that the seller calls them reverse proofs when they clearly are not is another signal to stay far away from this "deal"!




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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will disagree.
They do not look good, actually very suspicious.
The Maple Leaf looks like overfrosted and its internal structure simplified.

And the seller "may not ship" to Canada.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chubbycheeks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw this a while back, but its not even close to being well done. There was a lot more sellers when I first saw them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-oz-Silver...em4ac494b134

The 2013 will at least get a pass from some people.

Looks like the RCM are the coins to knock off in recent years. Or at least more so then I can remember. Aside from those fake toonies a while back.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my old thread with pics of proof and reverse proof SMLs
You can really see the difference compared to coins in that listing. The RCM has fallen in terms of quality, but not that far, yet.

https://goccf.com/t/113027
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shopaholic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a fake... look at the maple leaf, there is NO DETAIL on the leaf at all.
The leaf on this fake coin resembles the one that was on those copper rounds.

On the obverse, the earring the Queen's wearing is much bigger than it should be.
And the name of the designer, which is suppose to be on the lower left side of Queen's shoulder is missing as well.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry - I guess the sarcasm font wasn't working.

I'll answer my own question - they were likely 'freshly minted' in a basement somewhere near Jacksonville, Florida.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chubbycheeks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Noticed that freshly mint part as well.

But wanted to see what everyone thought of the coin since I've never heard of a proof 2013 being announced
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
they were likely 'freshly minted' in a basement somewhere near Jacksonville, Florida.


That was said good.

Gallery of funny coins(?). Titanic, Timber Wolf and now SML.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverBug to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it's silver plated, that's why it loses details like designer's name and Queen's wearing becomes bigger. My friend bought one before, it only weights around 23g, so probably copper core
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 Posted 08/31/2013  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jsinger21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I missed the boat. The ad has been removed.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one of a few of us must have reported it to ebay
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 Posted 08/31/2013  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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one of a few of us must have reported it to eBay
I was one that did.


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 Posted 08/31/2013  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I send him an email asking him if it was minted by RCM and that I never heard of a 2013 SML.
His reply was (I WILL LOOK INTO IT).
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