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I am not a coin expert and I'm looking for help on what this coin is. I received it from my grandfather before he past, he had a farm in the mounains of Lebanon and some coins were found burried in the earth. all are different sizes but similar in image and text. I assume they are greek, roman or something similar. Does anyone know exacty what this is? atatched is a picture of the front and back of one of the coins. any info you can advise plus estimated worth would be great. Thanks

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 Posted 08/30/2013  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Its a Diocletian Follis from the Siscia mint. Legend reads:

SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR

Which means: This is the sacred money made by the Augusti and the Caesars'. Wildwind's example is really shoddy, this one is in great nick. Mint mark is (star)SIS. I cant find it listed - ill have a look.

EDIT: Heres the full listing:
Emperor: Diocletian
Obverse Legend: IMP DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG
Reverse Legend: SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR
Left field: star
Right field: gamma
Mint mark: star SIS
Mint: Siscia
RIC Reference: RIC VI Siscia 136a
Rarity: C
Year of Minting: 302
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thanks for the reply, hope you are able to find more info on this. I have asked some local coin people and no one can give me anything about it. I have some others as well, all are different images and text, if you are interested I can upload more images when I get a chance. some are the size of a US dime, nikel and quater. Teh one above is about the size of a quarter. I assuem they are bronze in material. The one pictured is in rougher condition then the others, the others are in better shape.
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thanks for the info, with a rarity of "C" I assume it is worth more as a keep sake then having any dollar value. any clue what it could be worth?
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 Posted 08/30/2013  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats the worst? Lucky you. Id be happy to see more pictures - post em and ill see what I can find. Most of the later roman coins like this one dont have much meaning. Perhaps this one was for a tax or something because its got a very odd legend to it.

If you are interested, the coin shows the roman god MONETA holding a conucopia and scales. Diocletian was emperor for 20 years - he assumed the purple (the emperor wore a special purple toga, this means assumed the crown these days) after Numerian and Carus died. BUT! Numerian's son Carinus also tried to claim the thrown as the rightful emperor. Diocletian was sort of a Usurper. He defeated Carinus in the battle of Margus. He was a good emperor - he secured the borders of the empire, defeated some of Romes enemies in combat and formed a Tetrarchy under which each Caesar (one rank lower than Augustus, the emperor) controlled 1 quarter of the roman empire. His Caesars were Galerius and Constantius I and the other member of the tetrarchy was the emperor of the West, Maximian (After 286, 3 years into his rule, he split the empire, taking the East).

EDIT: Value: The rarity of C means common. This means many hundreds exist. It would be worth, in this condition, more than $10 because it is not the most commonly seen follis design, but its not worth what I think it should be worth. I suggest you keep it. Display it on a little stand, its a nice one with full legends.
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This is a very nice example that Ben has already IDed for you. There is a sticky section on Books, download, and websites with loads of information which will help you get started collecting ancient coins. Looking forward in seeing what other coins you have.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didnt welcome a new guy? Where are my manners,
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thanks guys, looking forward to learning about these and other coins and maybe someday even being a contributing member with some knowledge like you guys.
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just a little histroy on these, as I said my granfather owned farm land in Lebanon. his crew of laborers where digging, planting trees or something and they came accross a chest full of these types of coins. He cherry picked the coins in good condition and saved them for himself, called the archiology department of one of the colleges in Beirut and they came out to see his find. He ended up selling them a bunch of the coins and kept the rest. My father to this day (75 years later) still has a bunch of them. I have a dozen or so of them framed and presented on a wall in my office, I figured they would not have any significant value but the story behind them makes me happy to own them. My father never gave me a dollar amount but they way I understand it my grandfather profited greatly from the coins he sold many many years ago.
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In a chest? a hoard? I cant recall any ever coming from a chest. Do you have pictures of any others? Being a hoard, you'd expect them all to be the same period.
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i will Pm you a picture of the others, cant figure out how to post pic inside this thread
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will post a new thread since I cant figureout how to add it here....
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 Posted 08/30/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's best to start a new thread for a new coin.
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Looks to be consistent. I would usually give a caution about authenticity, but if they've been found together its all good - they all seem to be the same period as expected of a hoard. Nice!
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 Posted 08/30/2013  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They all seem to be nice coins, but if you want them IDed it's best to post one or two coins at a time.
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Though the Lebanon is a known country for fake "ancient" coins, it is also a region steeped in history, and it would not be far fetched for coin hoardes to be found.

Below is an example of a Roman storage chest, this one is in the British Museum Coin section.


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