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Intercept Shield - Or Just A Sacrificial Copper Bar?

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I started thinking about Intercept Shield based on the comment that the Coin Chemistry book is just an advert for their products. So I started to wonder what the technology really is.

Searching for Intercept Shield led me to a NJ court case for breach of contract (http://docs.justia.com/cases/federa...328/20/0.pdf) which indicated the Intercept Shield technology was invented by John Franey in 1993 and 1995 and assigned to Lucent. Well, Lucent didn't exist back then, but a bit of patent search led me
to US Patent 4,944,916 - https://www.google.com/patents/US4944916.

The most important part of any pattent is the claims - this is what is protected. The rest is just explainations around the claims such as why this is new and novel and thus patentable. Most of the verbage is bogus (I know, you should read my patents some day...).

For the '916 patent the claims are:


Quote:

What is claimed is:

1. A process for protecting an article including a metal region from corrosion comprising the steps of locating said article in an enclosure, said enclosure having a means for providing said protection comprises particles, said particles comprising a protecting metal chosen from the group consisting of aluminum and copper wherein said particles are embedded in said polymer by
introducing and dispersing particulates into said polymer and wherein said surface area of said protecting metal is sufficient to regard said corrosion.

2. The process of claim 1 wherein said article comprises an electronic component.
3. The process of claim 1 wherein said article comprises silver.
4. The process of claim 3 wherein said enclosure comprises a bag.
5. The process of claim 1 wherein said enclosure comprises a bag.


(This is referenced by the second patent - 5,154,886 - https://www.google.com/patents/US5154886,
but there's nothing much new there)

So back to '916 and it indicates that the protection against corrosion (tarnish) is that there is raw copper metal to absorb the Hydrogen Sulfide in the atmosphere: "As discussed, the corrosion of metals such as silver or copper by sulfur or chlorine containing entities is avoided for substantial periods of time by surrounding the object containing these metals with a specific enclosing structure. In particular, a polymer material forming the structure should contain a substantial surface area of either copper or aluminum." The metal is in the '916 patent example in the form of "7 μm diameter copper powder".

So I started to wonder. This sounds no different than the sacrificial anode used in boats and home water heaters: something that corrodes easily to protect the things you don't want to corrode.

The patent describes using flakes not power, "The greater the surface area of the protecting metal, e.g., the aluminum or copper, the more efficient the corrosion protection. Generally, particulates of the protecting metal are dispersed in the polymer. Metal flakes (as opposed to metal spheres), interdispersed in the polymer produce greater surface area per unit weight and thus more efficiently protect from corrosion. However, particle geometries such as spherical geometry do provide protection and are not precluded."

You can easily buy copper powder - 44 microns not the 7 in the patent example - on ebay for about $25/pound. You can buy copper bars for maybe $10 per pound (spot today is around 3.44).

So really, what is different from a plastic bag with copper flakes embedded in it, or a coin album with copper flakes incorporated into the pages - or a copper bar.

Nothing.

At the elemental level, the only difference between a flake, a powder and a solid is surface area. You get a lot more surface area from a flake or power for the weight. But so what if you had to rub the copper bar with a piece of 000 steel wool every couple months to expose more bright copper? It would certainly work. The '916 patent talks about using the color change of the bag (i.e. as the copper tarnishes) as an indication when the protection is no longer provided.

A little rough on the copper bar, but sacrifices sometimes have to be made for the greater good.

So here is what I'm thinking:

Buy a plastic tub - something inert (not PVC - recycling labels will help here) - and a couple copper bars. Store my coins - in their flips, slabs, raw, whatever - in the tub. Each time I look at my collection, add to it or deaccession something: check the bar and shine it up if it's tarnished. Boom. Poor-man's Intercept Shield. $10. And I'm not infringing on the patent because I'm using solid copper not particles.

Anybody want to tell me I'm crazy?



PS: the patent has actually expired, since it was filed on/before June 8, 1995 it was valid for whichever is the greatest of a term of 17 years from the date the application was granted (Jul 31, 1990) or 20 years from the date the application was filed (Aug 23, 1989). So after August 22, 2009 anyone can make polymer bags with copper or aluminum flakes or powder embedded in them.

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I think I will just store my most valuable coins near the sacrificial zinc anodes next the prop shaft gland on my boat.
Bonus: No one would ever think of finding valuable coins there!

Or perhaps zinc dust* and silica gel mixture in a calico bag in my safe?

*Zinc dust is an essential ingredient in 'cold galvanising' paint.
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Not even close... completely different chemical mechanisms are in play for Hydrogen Sulfide gas in the atmosphere reacting with silver vs. marine corrosion.

The one is this:

2Ag + H2S >> Ag2S + H2

vs. the water based process of rust (see http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.ed...rrosion.html).

Now in anerobic salt water, silver does have a rust-like corrosion path, see http://nautarch.tamu.edu/CRL/conser...l/File13.htm, but without the free electrons from the dis-association of H2O to H+ and OH-, you won't see it in dry air.

So yes, probably should throw a couple of silica bags in there too.

Although Zinc would probably work - the reason the Copper is the sacrifice is that it requires less energy and is thus preferable...

2Cu + H2S >> Cu2S + H2

Zn having two donor electrons would be

Zn + H2S >> ZnS + H2

should require half the mass.

Finally store the bars at the bottom, as H2S is heavier than N2 and O2 (although lighter than the other common atmospheric components CO2 and Ar). Still that's a reason to view your collection periodically: to stir the gases in your storage unit.
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This post is sort of funny. Not sure what it is supposed to be all about since the protection of coins is a lot simpler by just keeping them from moisture and air. Regardless of Intercept Shield, Dansco, Whitman, Littleton or the many, many other Albums used for coins, as long as moisture and air is kept away, not much will happen. If your worried about H2S gas bothering your coins, you should first worry about your lungs. If that is present by you, RUN AWAY FAST.
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 Posted 09/25/2013  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not funny at all - I was trying to have a serious discussion about long term storage. Many collectors like toned coins and so storage is a concern, lest you find your beautiful ranbow turned irrevocably black...


Hydrogen Sulfide is a (normal) atmospheric component, albeit at low levels - under 1 ppb unless you are downwind of a plant that produces it (at which point 90 ppb is not unheard of), see http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxguides/...uide-114.pdf. Per OSAH 100 ppm (100,000 ppb) is deadly, so we're not talking about THOSE levels.

Still, H2S concentrates indoors, especially in/near the kitchen. And a few years of exposure at kitchen levels can cause corrosion and/or toning such as reported here: http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...icleId=26875.

(FWIW, the high humidity form of corrosion products is worse)

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I'm intrigued. I keep a silica gel can/unit in each of my safe deposit boxes to help protect against high humidity. After reading this post, I wonder if I should add a few 1 oz copper rounds to each as well?


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Your theory is basically correct; any piece of raw shiny copper will work just as effectively as a proprietary product such as Intercept Shield (which, I should point out, is no longer available as the company that made it has gone out of business).

There are two disadvantages with using a single slab of copper. The first is the relatively low surface area. You need a high surface area to increase the probability that a H2S molecule will hit the sacrificial copper, and not the coins.

Second, a single bar only offers limited coverage. Suppose most of the air getting into your sealed box is leaking through from a certain point, and you happen to have your copper slab on the opposite side of the box from that point; the air has to pass across and through all of the contents of the box to get to the copper - giving any H2S in the air a chance to attack the coins. The point of Intercept Shield was that it gave all-around coverage, "intercepting" the H2S before it reaches the coins.

So, put several copper slabs all around. Or, perhaps even better, line the entire sides and lid of the box with thin copper sheeting; sheet copper shouldn't be that much more expensive than ingots, and it's easier to cut to fit.
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My earlier comments were a bit 'tongue in cheek'.
Actually, zinc, like aluminum, forms a protective oxide coating on itself.

It works well in a sea water situation, but not in a dry atmospheric situation, so any silca gel mixed with it would render the zinc powder useless. You NEVER see sacrificial zinc powder used like how I mentioned.
The sea water situation would render the silica gel useless.

I am not too sure that copper powder would be any good either, despite the increased surface area. The reason being that any embedded copper powder would slowly turn black or develop verdigris, and stain everything it would come in contact with.

I think Sap's solution is the best.
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