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Got my gluteus kicked in the Gorney & Mosch auctions today and yesterday. Such grand plans... I spent so many hours studying the lots-- especially the 188 large mixed lots-- converting to USD, adding buyer's fees, estimating cost per coin at various price points, ranking my favorites, planning which ones were more important for bidding, yadda yadda yadda. Got up at 4 a.m. to bid on some. The large mixed lots hit the block during morning work hours today-- I had to juggle monitoring the action while working. I'm exhausted, and for almost nothing.

And in the end I only hit 'bid' a few times. By the time the large mixed lots were up most were already double the estimated price and many hammered at 3, 4, 10 times the estimate. I didn't get any of the large mixed lots I was after.

[tail between legs]

I did get a few things though and was happy to add to my flock of flying pigs.

Forgive the heavily doctored photo-- this was a late addition to their auction and the picture was terrible-- low resolution and they'd cropped some of the edges (I 'restored' them in this photo). In a few weeks when I get the coin I'll do it justice with better photos.

It's another peewee coin but the details are great.

Another-Flying-Pig.
IONIA, Klazomenai
AR diobol
1.00 gm
~500 BC
Obv: forepart of winged boar right
Rev: quadripartite incuse square; K in lower right square
Ref: (per seller) SNG München 451 K

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 Posted 10/16/2013  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate when you put in a whole pile of bids and you get none...although I usually bid £5 on a few barbarous minims.

thats a nice flying pig you've got there...but that incuse square looks really 3D. It looks to be standing out with the little K mark thing incuse.
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 Posted 10/16/2013  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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but that incuse square looks really 3D. It looks to be standing out with the little K mark thing incuse


LOL, I looked at it and couldn't see it that way so I tried harder to imagine the squares as proud. Succeeded.

Now I can't see it incuse!

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 Posted 10/16/2013  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nice coin. I wish I had the patience you have searching the auction and the cash to spend.
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 Posted 10/17/2013  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is your collection called a "flock?" Or is there an established term for a group of flying pigs?
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 Posted 10/17/2013  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Do you have any flying pigs left for me :p
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There may be a few left. Better get them while you can ;)
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frRRRRRRRRRRuit salute!


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 Posted 10/17/2013  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin TIF

I like the way they even put wings on the ear. Nice touch!
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 Posted 10/18/2013  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pig ears look a lot like wings, so maybe that's just good rendering? (lol, rendering... I want bacon!)

See these ears...
And this picture is begging for a caption, isn't it?

Another-Flying-Pig.

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10/18/2013 05:35 am
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Does the forum not have a caption competition? That definitely should be a thing
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 Posted 10/19/2013  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I honestly neer thought I'd see this image on a Greek coin--cool!
Somehow, I imagine someone refusing to budge, saying "when pigs can fly", and another handing them this coin.
Really, is this a mythological Greek animal--or meant to be humorous?
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 Posted 10/19/2013  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly Khrysaor, the bother of Pegasus.
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DVCollector, according to Aelian, in On Animals, 12. 38 (trans. Scholfield; Greek natural history C2nd A.D.), it stems from this legend:

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I have heard that on Klazomenai [and island west of Smyrna] there was a Sow with wings, and it ravaged the territory of Klazomenai. And Artemon records this in his Annals of Klazomenai. That is why there is a spot named and celebrated as `The Place of the Winged Sow,' and it is famous. But if anyone regards this as myth, let him do so.


Also per http://www.theoi.com/Ther/HusKlazomenaios.html,

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THE HUS KLAZOMENAIOS was a gigantic winged sow which terrorized the Greek town of Klazomenai in Ionia, Asia Minor.


Doucet, it is possible that the mythological Khrysaor plays into this as well, but without any direct citation or link to Klazomenai. Information about Khrysaor here: http://www.theoi.com/Ther/Khrysaor.html

Many of the circa 500 BC coins of Klazomenai feature this winged boar (sow?).

The winged boar is not exclusive to Klazomenai though. There are at least seven other issuing cities/mints/regions with this iconography. I would like to have one representative from each but they are not easy to find and are $$$. It's nice to have a collecting goal though, so over the years maybe I'll manage a set.
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And DVCollector, in case you missed it, here's another of my flock, also from Klazomenai:
Another-Flying-Pig.

Link to that thread: https://goccf.com/t/159068

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 Posted 10/19/2013  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It must be said, with that big ridge of bristles, this must be a boar, not a sow.
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