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A Dozen Alexandrian Potin Tetradrachms

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From the 'TIF's Folly' mixed lot. I was happy to see these and will add them to several others I also got from Stack's a few months ago.

All were in individual envelopes and based on information written on a few, likely purchased by the collector in the 1950's. They all had "Roman Egypt" written in pencil. One or two had slightly more ID, although incorrect ("Trajan" turned out to be Hadrian). Attributing these really makes me appreciate the vast amount of information readily available online! Coin collecting must be a lot easier now than it was just a few decades ago.

Looks like a nice assortment-- I was glad to see some varieties other than the ol' standing eagle. Severe appear to be less common. Only one real dog in the group with regard to condition and it could be worse. All in all, compared to the average potin tet, not a shabby group!

A-Dozen-Alexandrian-Potin-Tetradrachms

A-Dozen-Alexandrian-Potin-Tetradrachms

I was able to attribute most of them, hopefully correctly-- was unable to find a few in the various resources available online. Please correct me if I've made mistakes. The legends, if incomplete or unreadable on the coin, are best-guess from similar coins found in online databases. I have substituted letters because I don't know how to find them in my computer.

From top, left to right:

Hadrian. (similar to one found on WW but different year) 24 mm, 13.5 gm. Year 2 (117/8 AD). AVT KAIC TPAIANOC ADPIANOC CEB; Laureate bust right/Tyche standing left, holding rudder and cornucopia; L-B.

Lucius Verus? (Was unable to find this one but it sure looks like him.) 24 mm, 13.4 gm. Year 4, 164/5 AD. [legend] Bare head right/laureate head of Zeus (?) right; L-delta.

Salonina. (unable to find) 22 mm, 12.0 gm. Year 11, 263/4 AD. KOPNHLIA CALWNEINA CEB; draped bust right/Dikaiosyne (?) seated left, holding scales and cornucopia; LIA

Claudius II Gothicus. 20 mm, 10.2 gm. Year 3, 270 AD. AVT K KLAVDIOC CEB (maybe); laureate draped bust right/Tyche standing left holding rudder and cornucopia; L gamma in left field. Maybe Milne 4286.

Claudius II Gothicus. 20 mm, 9.6 gm. Year 3, 270 AD. AVT K KLAV DIOC CEB/eagle standing right, head right, wreath in beak, palm frond under far wing. Milne 4291?

Aurelian. 21 x 23 mm, 9.6 gm. Year 4, 272/3 AD. A K L DOM AVPHLIANOC CEB; laureate and cuirassed bust right / Eagle standing (flying?) right on wreath, head turned left; LD to right. Milne 4398?

Aurelian? 20 mm, 8.9 gm. Maybe year 5 or 6, 274-6? [legend] bust right/eagle standing right, head right, wreath in beak, palm frond under far wing; ETOYC in left field.

Probus. 20 mm, 7.9 gm. Year 2, 276/7 AD. AKM AYP PROBOC CEB; laureate cuirassed bust right/eagle standing right, head left, wreath in beak; L-B. Milne 4540?

Probus. 20 mm, 7.9 gm. Year 3, 277/8 AD. AKM AVP PROBOC CEB; laureate cuirassed bust right/eagle standing left, head right (no wreath in beak?); L-gamma. Milne 4566?

Probus. 20 mm, 8.5 gm. Year 6, 280/1 AD. AKM AVP PROBOC CEB; laureated cuirassed bust right/eagle standing right, head right, wreath in beak; L-S. Milne 4632?

Probus. 20 mm, 7.4 gm. Year 8, 282/3 (he died in the fall of 282; don't know if this was minted before he died or after). AKM AVP PROBOC CEB; laureate cuirassed bust right/eagle standing right, head right, wreath in beak; L-H. Milne #?

Diocletian. 17 x 19 mm, 8.5 gm. Year 7, 291/2 AD. DIOKLHTI ANOC CEB; laureate head right/Zeus standing left, chlamys over left arm, holding patera and sceptre, eagle at foot left. Milne 5013?
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Wow, excellent group of tets. I like this coin type I have a few I my collection from Carus and family. The LV may be an unrecorded type. You may already be aware of this site if not it gives lots of info on the type. http://tetradrachm-alexandria.blogspot.nl
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I just came across that site today while searching for some of these. Great site.

There are still some of the dozen for which I am unsure of the attribution. And for all of them, the exact reference is a guess based on similar coins on wildwinds, tet-alex site, etc.

Wish I had Milne's book! I looked to see if it was available as an ebook in public domain but didn't find it.

If any of you have seen it as a free online read, please link me up :)
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...now that I look at them again, I really like the salonina reverse as well.
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Oh Man, I'm going to have to start lookin' into these lot buys, I've been buying as much silver as I can, so it won't happen any time soon.
Very nice lot, love all of them...

fruit salute......
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Many thanks to maridvnvm (Martin), who looked up the reference numbers for me.

The surprise of the bunch is the Hadrian, rated R5 (one known example). Milne's book is dated 1983 and I don't know if significant numbers of this year 2 Tyche reverse have been identified since. Regardless, very very happy!

And #2 confirmed as Lucius Verus.
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I am SO pleased you are getting something out of this lot. It was really a gamble to bid unseen. But if you had seen them, you might not have bid at all :)
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Just a point to clarify... to some extent, perhaps a large extent, such rarity ratings are not very meaningful. How extensive was Milne's survey? Coins which have been privately held for many decades,which were never sold through major venues, which aren't housed in museums, which weren't part of inventoried hoards... etc... would not be known to the author.

Cool nonetheless

To summarize, in case anyone wants to know, here are the reference numbers:

Hadrian, year 2 with Tyche. Milne 825, Emmett 901 (Rated R5 - one example known)
Lucius Verus, year 4 with Zeus. Milne 2475, Emmett 2367 (R1)
Salonina, year 4 with Dikaiosyne. Milne 4087, Emmett 3848
Claudius II, year 3 with Tyche. Milne 4286.Claudius II, year 3 with eagle
Claudius II, year 3 with eagle. Milne 4291
Aurelian, year 4 with eagle on wreath. Milne 4398 (not verified by Martin)
Aurelian, year 5 or 6 with eagle. Don't know, need to clean it a bit or see if the year mark can be discerned.
Probus, year 2 with eagle. Milne 4540
Probus, year 3 with eagle. Milne 4566
Probus, year 6 with eagle. Milne 4632
Probus, year 8 with eagle. Milne 4659. Emmett 3982 (8) R2
Diocletian, year 7 with Zeus standing and eagle. Milne 5012/5013 (same coin)
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A nice collection Tets, you may consult Keith Emmett. His catalogue is more recent.
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Milne does not have rarity ratings. Rarity ratings come from Emmett, a recent book (2001) with ratings that are pretty good. However, the usual caveat is not to equal rarity with value. There are many "R5" coins (both imperial and Alexandrian) that command almost no premium.
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Thanks for that correction regarding Milne and Emmett. I really should go book shopping!

And yeah, I am coming across several scarce or rare coins in this bunch but that doesn't make them pretty ;) Or necessarily desirable.

Sounds impressive though so I don't mind the label
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I think this not so nice lot ended up being well....a real nice lot. Kudos TIF.
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