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Louis The Pious, Son Of Charlemagne - Carolingian Empire

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Believe it or not Louis the Pious was one of my Great Grandfathers, as Charlemagne. My family continued through him by his wife Ermengarde by way of their daughter Hildegard or some called her Matilda.
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So with that being stated, I would love to have a coin like this from the family line.
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Well, if you manage to get one, don't strip it back to the metal
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Your info and link are well-received tdziemia, thanks!

I found a link detailing the different types of Louis the Pious deniers (mine is approx. one third the way down on the page): http://home.eckerd.edu/~oberhot/flouispcoins.html
It doesn't say, but I wonder how rare my type is with regards to the others. As tdziemia stated, we definitely need an expert here!
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Back for a second look. Oh and I love the map. Maps always bring the coins to life. Sometimes its hard to picture the geopolitical situation of times and places not covered in World History class.
Definitely true. Visual aids are very helpful in that regard.
The Carolingian empire got quite big, didn't it? So big it became the foundation for not one, but two modern-day countries: France and Germany. It became the most powerful state in Western Europe since the Western Roman Empire. And the Carolingian leaders aspired to become as great and well-known as the Roman emperors of the past (as shown by their adoption of Roman titles such as Imperator and Augustus).
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Thanks all for the comments btw!
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From the link but I'll post it here as well. Here is a contemporary image of Louis the Pious from 826 AD, as a 'soldier of Christ':

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Believe it or not Louis the Pious was one of my Great Grandfathers, as Charlemagne. My family continued through him by his wife Ermengarde by way of their daughter Hildegard or some called her Matilda.
Thats awesome, must have been a great surprise to find out. I wish I could trace my lineage to some ancient ruler, but I'll probably get a pig farmer or peasant or something lol.
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I was into the family history for a while. Husband is related to William the Conqueror, I have Kim Philby (spy) in my tree. Sometimes a peasant pig keeper is a lot to aspire to :)
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VK, 75% of White Americans can trace their heritage back to the royals. It's no big deal. The Royals children were well feed and lived into childbearing years as peasant children's lifespans were quite short. Royals valued the males over the females (Apparent heirs) so when the inheritance ran out for the females of royal descent, they all packed their bags and came to America for the free land here back in the 1500's, 1600's, 1700's and 1800's. But I would say that the chances are very, very high for you to be kin to a Royal from one of your immigrant grand mothers side.

Pish, if I am not mistaken William the Conqueror is related to Charlemagne. Check it out http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/L...he_Conqueror
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I study my ancestry for 25 years picking a person or 2 a year, then I found a book about one of my relatives and it took off, the family tree was very well recorded and preserved, especially the Royals. Mine took off after finding my 9th Great Grand mother Alice Gascoyne. I sat on her for a few years as a dead end and then I was introduced to a book called, "A Royal Heritage, Genealogy and History from Charlemagne and William the Conqueror to the Present". And BAM! There she was and it confirmed my research prior to finding her through her children which were also my grand parents.

Most Americans are kin to the Royals, but you are of no good since you came from a female and not a male. Eventually Royals started to intermarry the commoners, A royal female might would marry the horse groomer or the chimney sweep. So that royal blood got watered down. Since your Grand Mother was a Royal and your Grandfather a horse groomer, your lineage was not as valuable to the royal bloodline.

So, welcome to America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
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Thanks Phillips, I will look into it when I have the time and energy!
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Pish, since you are from England there is a 99.9% chance you have a bit of Royal Blood in you. I have done the research over the years and it's great. I was shocked to find out that I was related to William I. I got excited and shared the news with my entire family, but I was let down after finding out that almost all Americans had Royal Blood. So it went from being a rare feeling to a very common let down. So I am no one special when it comes to this.
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My immediate family hails from South America so ultimately my family line comes from Spain. I wonder what that says about my ancestors, besides the fact they were Spaniards.
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Sometimes a peasant pig keeper is a lot to aspire to :)
I guess if something like that were true about one of my ancestors, knowing that would be better than not knowing my ancestors at all
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