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Silvered Constantius II Falling Horseman

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I just purchased a silvered Falling Horseman Ancient Roman coin. I have searched the internet about silver ones, but I can not find the info. I only gave a couple of bucks for it and was wondering if it was a fake or counterfeit.

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BTW, I am a history buff and new to coin collecting. I like to hold and touch things of historical value.
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Welcome!
Touching ancients is half the fun, they shouldn't be slabbed :)

If you stick around you will learn lots, and a history buff is especially welcome. Your fallen horseman certainly has an interesting patina. You will find lots of them here
http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...us_II/i.html
These are the ones for Constantius II there are others. Wildwinds is a good site for attribution. Also check out the stickys at the top of the threads.
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PM me! Its Christmas time, ill see if I can dig you out a nicer exmpale, if you pay the postage (£2).

Its real but highly corroded - there doesn't seem to be any silvering, which was a process where a fine layer of silver was deposite don the surface. Its easily removed and rarely survives. If silvering survives and its the shiny bits, then you've probably got a fourree made to fool people into thinking a bronze coin is silver - done by giving a thick plating, probably via something akin to dipping in molten silver.
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Thanks guys your replies are really helpful and I hope to be a regular on here. I am just now learning the basics to cleaning myself and have bought some really cheap uncleaned coins to experiment with. I have bought some Mint State Restoration Coin Cleaner that has not arrived and have made my own ELECTROLYSIS that I am experimenting on a Lepton.

Any options or ideas on these methods? I hear Olive Oil is the best way, but it takes the longest.
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Ben, he can't PM you, he only has 3 posts.

Phillips, if you log onto the ebay UK and look for the seller blazexploder you can send your details to Ben. Ben can pass your address to me, and I will send you a few Constantius II, I have LOADS of spares.
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BenByfield, sure I will pay the postage if you have one. That would be very nice.
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pishpash, I will do. Thanks
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Definitely olive oil or distilled water (that takes longer on average than the oil but won't have a chance of darkening your coins), toothpicks (or thorns from a plant), and the patience of a saint.
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Dont ruin leptons with Electrolysis...Id be inclined to say that Electrolysis is never the answer. Its not going to deal with really bad encrustation and is too powerful to be used on the average coin.

Theres lots of info on cleaning on the forum - all the cleaners here have voiced their methods, if you poke around a bit.
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BTW your Constantius II isn't silvered; just rather beat up and discolored (from the photo at least). You did all right with a couple of bucks though and is at least still identifiable. It might improve a little with some careful cleaning. If you are willing to put in some more cash you can definitely get an eye-opener of a fallen horseman, or at least close. It's good to see a new collector choose ancients. Not many choose ancient coins right off the bat. I've found them way more fun than anything I had collected before.
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 Posted 12/17/2013  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest, I wouldn't do much with your coin at all. It certainly has an interesting "patina". I would wait until you get something to compare it with, and take it from there.
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Probably the seller thought it looked "silvery", and having used a Flash to take the photos, the coin does looks shiny for it.
$1.04 is about right for that coin.

However, the AE2 types, in good condition, do sell a tad better.
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Thanks for the advice guys, I guess in a few I will properly introduce myself.


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Check out the sticky topic on Downloads, Books and Web sites. There is tons of excellent information the will help you learn about ancient coins.
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