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Has anyone had experience with this product? Is it a waste of time and money?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Ancient-...em43bbc6b7f3
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 Posted 12/18/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NO, NO, NO, NO!
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OK, I got suckered into buying it. The guy in his sales pitch seemed all confident about it. I guess I will be making a run to the grocery store to buy olive oil.
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Try distilled water first. You can try olive oil later if you want to. You can't use DW if you have used OO first.

If you need to use electrolysis or other chemical blasting agents to get it out of your system, then go ahead.

Personally, when I get my hands on a dirty old coin, it has been in the ground undiscovered for around 1700 years. I feel an obligation to try and preserve as much of it as I can. OK they can turn out to be blanks or culls, but sometimes you can pick up a peach. I posted what had been a blank brown disc which I had soaked for months. All of a sudden, I started to see details and I ended up with a lovely coin still with it's silver wash intact. That would all have been lost if I had done it differently.

Google cleaning ancients. There is a lot of conflicting information. Metal detectorists like to use electrolysis because they want to know what they have found. Very few of them really care about ancient coins.
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When using distilled water, what is the process? Let it soak for days and/or months without removing it? or I think I read somewhere that you are to let it soak for 24 hours and replace the distilled water with fresh distilled water every day.

I want to preserve my coin collection so when I die, my children and grand children will say WOW! Pop-Pop has a nice collection. :)
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It is easy. Small plastic container. Put in coins, pour in DW and leave them alone. Give them a shake every now and then. Only when the water turns cloudy should you change it. All coins are different, it depends on where they spent the last 1700 years or so. Take out, use an old toothbrush to give them a good brush. Rinse, dry on paper towel. Replace the DW if it needs it. Repeat until you are satisfied that they coin will not clean any futher.

I would only put in 2 or 3 coins in a small container (I have lots of pots on the go).

If you feel that you need to give this blasting stuff a go, then do so, but keep some of the coins to put in DW so you can compare the fast way with the "proper" way.

Coin with good patina = pop pop had a wow collection
Coin blasted to metal = oh dear pop pop
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Thanks, I have some ole medicine bottles that I will use for that. You mention old tooth brush, but what about a brass or Nylon brush? Dental picks? I have order some of these too and think I might have made another noob mistake as I have also read that a wooden tooth pick would be suffice.
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As far as picks go. I started out using thorns from a rose bush. They were rubbish! You should start by using toothpicks before you progress to dental picks. They can be expensive if you don't have someone in the profession who can get you them for trade, they don't last forever.

I have used a brass brush, they are supposed to "not hurt the patina", well I found that they could, so I don't use them any more. When I say "an old toothbrush" I bought a couple from the supermarket for the purpose.

Once you have got a bit of cleaning under your belt, then you can progress to using more lethal products like the dental picks and in my case a scalpel.

I also use a stereo-microscope so that I can see what I am doing.
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sounds like good advice to me, don't know anything about that cleaning product...have seen it but never used it.

after I'm done cleaning coin, I always bake them in the oven (20 minutes, 200 degrees) to zap out the water. in the summer, i'll set them in an aluminium pie pan out in the sun for a while and do that same thing.
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I've never heard of this one and have no idea what chemicals are being used. I would avoid using it and stick to the distilled water or Olive oil methods. I prefer Olive oil but it does tend to darken the color of the coin.
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 Posted 12/18/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if that stuff would really return those coins to " mint state "
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denco, with my purchase of this magical stuff, he is sending me 5 uncleaned coins along with it and at least one I will try and let you know the results.
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 Posted 12/18/2013  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take before and after photos.
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Pish, I plan on it. I plan on conducting it as a scientific experiment. LOL!
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Would be interesting to see how it works. Find its pH.

If you do find it to be acid, its probably a good idea to soak it in a buffer afterwards to neutralise the acid. (this could be a good preservation technique - deposit a buffer on the coins surface)
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Ben, I lost all my gardening soil testing equipment, so I probably will not be able to test the PH level. Since summer is gone here, I might have a hard time finding the equipment to test the PH unless I get it offline. But I could send a small sample to my local extension agency for them to test it.

What kind of buffer to neutralize the acid would you suggest?
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