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Restored Smackdown XIIi - The Best Of Billon

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 Posted 12/29/2013  09:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The Best of Billon.

Ah billon, the debased alloy of choice for countless centuries. Billon is often described as an alloy of bronze and silver. Although throughout history billon has contained many metals, zinc, nickle, lead,tin and copper. Debasing coins has been a common practice performed by nearly all empires in one form or another. Alloying metal served to make new denominations and stretch the silver and gold supply to fund sate projects and campaigns. It has also been material for thieves and cheap skates to "skim off the top." Billon or debased coins are rarly pretty after standing the test of time but one this is certain, the all ooze histroy.



For those that are new the Smackdown, acts a contest (with no prize) or a venue to showcase coins from around the Ancient and Medieval world with stated or attribute commonality. Everyone is encourage to attempt and entry, and even those who cannot enter can and should vote, for your top 3 favorites.

Here are the rules

** 5 extra points ***

a) Include the dimensions and a few sentences about each entry.


1) A maximum of three (3) coins per Member.
2) Entries must be debased silver to qualify.
3) Coins after 1650 AD are not allowed.
4) Voting: vote for 3 contestants in order of preference, Gold (3pts), Silver (2pts), Bronze (1pt).
5) Host announces the winner. Winner chooses next Smackdown Subject and is host.
6) You do not have to enter a coin to vote but please do try to enter something.
7) Base your votes on an criteria you like, eye appeal, rarity, quality, anything you like.
8) Final decision if two coins have the same score and the same number of golds and will be the hosts choice.
9) Enjoy.

Entries Begin Immediately and Submission Ends @ 21:00hrs EST
Friday , Voting will begin. Scores will be tabulated and announced on Sunday Jan. 5, 2014 @ 21:00hrs EST.

EXAMPLE:

Rare
Billon Tridrachm of Hannibal Second Punic War
North Africa, Zeugitana, Carthage
Hannibal Barca s. 210-205 BC
Billon Tri-drachm 25.6mm x 10.54g
Obverse: Bust of Tanit Left.
Reverse: Horse Standing right, Palm tree behind.
ref. Lorber-168
"Coin Hoards Vol. IX
2002 Punic "Horse & Palm" Billon Tridrachms" by C. Lorber

Ar example of a Punic Billon Tridrachm issued under the authority of Hannibal Barca during the second war with the Roman Republic. Precious metal had become extremely rare in The Carthaginian domain at this time. Money was stretched so thin the ladies of Carthage would have their jewelry confiscated and mixed with various metals to produce coins for mercenaries and general commerce.

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Ardashir I was the first Sassanid King of Persia and he for a time minted debased silver tetradrachms as the Parthian's did for nearly 2 centuries. This coin would be short lived and be replaced by the thin fine silver drachm for all subsequent kings. The coin is of relaticly low silver content but still twinkles in the right light.


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The last Billon coin I will show you is a posthumous tetradrachm of Hermaios. An earlier issue and possibly a late lifetime issue, with a relativly high silver content. During the reign of Hermaios the Greek kings lost control of the silver mines of Afghanistan and would soon fall to the Yue chi nomads, who would become the Kushan Empire. (who only minted gold and bronze)
Greek Kingdom of Bactria

Hermaios 80-75 BC - Afghanistan - Kabul Mint.
AR Tetradrachm 26.8 mm, (9.44g)
Obv: Diademed Bust of Hermaios Greek Legend- EPMAIOY BASILWS SWTHPOS (King Hermaios the Savior)
Rev: Zeus Enthroned with Scepter with arm outstretched; monogram right; Kharoshti legend- I believe the reverse legend reads the same or similar to the obverse. Appealing to the non-Greek speaking populous of the Hindu Kush.
Ref:Bop 10F


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Let the Games Begin!
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 Posted 12/29/2013  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my (only) billon coin:

Tetradrachm of Nero

Egypt became a province of the Roman Empire in 30 BC. Unlike other provinces it had a centrally administered coinage produced by the Roman administration. Nonetheless, like other provincial coinages the basic design consisted of the emperor's portrait on the obverse (front) and a local design on the reverse.

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Type : Roman Provincial
Region : EGYPT
City : Alexandria
Issuer : Nero
Date Ruled : AD 54-68
Metal : Billon
Denomination : Tetradrachm
Date Struck : AD 65-66
Weight : 12.91 g
Seize: 25mm
Die Axis : 12 h
Obverse Legend : NEΡΩΚΛAVKAΙΣΣΕÎ'Î"ΕΡ
Obverse Description : Radiate bust right, wearing aegis
Reverse Legend : AYTOKPA LIB
Reverse Description : Draped bust of Alexandria right, wearing elephant's skin headdress; LIB (date) to right
Primary Reference : KÃ-ln 172-174
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 Posted 12/29/2013  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dutch well played on the early entry...IMO you set the bar high with a prime example of a common yet interesting billon coin!
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 Posted 12/29/2013  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Funnily enough, just looking at a Volusian I have just paid for, described as billon.

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I am struggling to find a reference for it, this is close:
251-253 AD.
AR Antoninianus (mine Billon)
(Mine is lighter 2.64g.)
IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG, radiate, draped bust right
P M TR P IIII COS II Emperor standing left, holding patera over tripod altar, and sceptre.
RIC IV 141, rated scarce

Edited: copied the wrong text
Edited by pishpash
12/29/2013 6:06 pm
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 Posted 12/29/2013  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might as well enter... I have several billon coins. I've got another Nero, beaten up but given to me by my Uncle (its from Camden market in the early 80s), a unique Julia Domna (also severly beaten up - it was a test coin for cleaning which turned out to be really heavily encrusted (its less than half the depth that it was before cleaning)) and a hash of debased coinage (the best example being an acid corroded Treb Gallus). Ill make some decisions.
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 Posted 12/29/2013  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here's a gordian iii antoninianus, I think it's about 40% silver.

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gordian iii
238-244 ad
o:imp gordianvs pivs fel avg
r:fortvna fedvx, fortuna with cornucopia and rudder.
alexandria mint
ric 210
22 mm
2.9g






and a byzantine billon trachy...

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alexius iii

1195-1203 ad

o:young christ
r: alexius and st. constantine
30 mm
3.8 g

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 Posted 12/30/2013  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coins all. Can't wait to see some more of the Ancient Billon in your collections. Come on guys get them coins in!
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I was about to express my apologies for not having any. Once upon a time I did have a few late examples of assorted coinage which fell under this category.
Just as I began to write the little 'light bulb' (incandescent) went off and I remembered one I never let go of.
I honestly have never adequately researched this nice piece. Being of Decius it is debased silver. What the alloy is though I am unsure.

Trajan Decius AR Tetradrachm Antioch.
Obv. Laureate, cuirassed bust right two dots below
AVT K G ME KY DEKIOC TPAIANOC CEB
Rv. Eagle standing left on palm branch, wings spread, wreath in beak; S C in ex.
DHMAPX EZOYCIAC
12.66 grams 27mm

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Fortunately the Forum provides a retrieval option of previous posts

(I actually only noticed this two weeks ago !
Well I never claimed to be the sharpest 'gladius' in the forum)
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 Posted 12/31/2013  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. A marvoulous example FR. Certainly a strong contender for in this smackdown.


...not the sharpest detail on the coin, eh?
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 Posted 01/03/2014  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looked all over my collection... almost thought I didn't have anything to fit this theme. All of my ancients (that I know of) are copper/bronze, and as for the later silver examples, a few I suspect were made of pretty decent silver and the only "debasement" involved their size, a few are so ridiculously coppery that I'm not sure they ever had any silver, and all of the interesting issues that are made of actual debased silver are 17th century or later.
Then I realized that 17th century doesn't necessarily have to be after 1650 AD

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Livonia (Swedish occupation), Queen Christina of Sweden, 1645 AD solidus. Debased silver (how debased is uncertain - catalogues just say "silver").
Legend (if it's not obvious): CHRISTINA.D.G.R.S/SOLIDVS.LIVONIAE.45 (some of these dots might not actually be there - I'm not sure).
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 Posted 01/03/2014  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dwayne8625 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I almost forgot to enter...

Roma mint Antoninianus Philip I 244-249ad RIC IV 44b 22mm 5.1gm
Obverse : IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG / Radiate draped and cuirassed bust right
Reverse : ROMAE AETERNAE / Roma seated left, holding victory and scepter
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Roma mint Billon Denarius Severus Alexander 222-228ad 20.32mm 2.73gm
Obverse : IMP CM AVR SEV ALEXAND AVG / Severus Alexander right
Reverse : AEQVITAS AVG / Aequitas standing, head left, holding scales and cornucopia
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01/03/2014 5:42 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2014  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't usually enter these but as so few coins have been offered up decided to post.

Three coins that try so hard to look silver but all ultimately fail.

All three coins are:

Galerius
C VAL MAXIMIANVS NOB C - Bust right, Laureate
GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI - Genius, naked standing left, modus on head holding patera and cornucopiae
296AD - RIC VI Lugdunum 17b (p243)


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28mm - 9.11 grams

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27mm - 9.23 grams

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26mm - 7.87 grams


Difficult to add a sentence about each coin as they are all the same RIC number and in very similar condition. All are heavily debased and silvered, the silvering on all three is still in good shape but the tell-tale orange is peeping through in enough places to spoil the illusion. It still amazes me that any silvering survives on these coins.
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 Posted 01/05/2014  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am keeping this SMACKDOWN open for a few more days. BobbyHelmet great to see ya again buddy. How ya been? Thanks for smacking down some Billon!
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 Posted 01/05/2014  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Thanks for smacking down some Billon!


My pleasure good Sir
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 Posted 01/08/2014  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please cast your votes my friends.
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 Posted 01/08/2014  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold - FR Trajan Decius
Silver - Dwayne8625 Philip I Ant
Bronze - Dutch Nero
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