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Question About Bell Lines On A Proof Coin

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Searched to find an answer but did not find an answer so I am asking for help. I have not seen it before, is it normal to see weak, incomplete Bell Lines on a Proof coin like in the below photos of a 1963 Franklin half?


Thanks for looking and any help or advice you may give or offer.


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My husband focuses on circulated FBL Franklins, I would not be surprised if there were proofs that had weak lines, especially in the later years. What year is that proof?
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Its a 1963. I have been told that all Franklin Proof Half Dollars always have FBL and why I was surprised to see one that did not have FBL's.
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Here are a few that I would consider to not have the best struck lines:

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...=20309#Photo
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...=24477#Photo
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...=11511#Photo

I think the ncg example illustrates it the best.
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All do not have FBL's
It would all depend on the die stage/state and the punch.
Same as with the bands on a dime.
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This rings true
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This info is nice to know so that the next time I get redacted if you think any Franklin proof was made without FBL's, I can now refer them to this web site with info that not all Franklin Proofs had FBL.


Charles

I get that you posted this without ill intent, but please don't try to circumvent our Bad Word Filter. It's there for a reason.
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Franklin proofs, like proof coins from other series, are assumed to have Full Details so the FBL strike descriptor is not used. In reality, coins in late die states will not always have Full Details.
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I can understand the dichotomy of this thread.

A proof coin is supposed to be the best example of of a particular coin type that the Mint can produce. That is why a mint specially prepares proof dies, and why specially prepared blanks are struck off them.

WHY then, should not ALL proof Franklins have FBL's?
Doesn't the Mint care?
WE do!
After all, these products are supposed to be made with the collector in mind. The collector makes up the market at which these products are supposed to be aimed at!
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The lack of attention to detail and pride of workmanship is rather lacking, while making a profit by "hook or crook" isn't.
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sel_69l,

You hit the nail directly on the head. I have been told numerous times that Proofs are the best of the best, that all Franklin Proofs have full bell lines, no if they have FBL, they all do, so when I got one that did not it was a surprise to me, thus this post about it..
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