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Pamp Suisse, Fake? Please Help.

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 Posted 01/13/2014  4:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maichinht to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys, I recently purchased some 1oz pamp suisse bars and the left bar looks kinda strange to me...

Can this be fake? Because I just purchased 3 of these at the store.
Let me know what you all think. I can post more pictures if you have any questions.

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 Posted 01/13/2014  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fine to me.
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 Posted 01/13/2014  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maichinht to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The one on the right the serial number is etched. And the left is a little different.
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 Posted 01/13/2014  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I were suspicious, I would have it XRF'ed. Can't pick them from the pictures, but I am no expert on these.
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 Posted 01/13/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you bought them from a reputable seller then there's little to worry about. They look fine to me. You could always weight them and subtract for the packaging. Also, Pamp might have a serial number verification on their website.
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 Posted 01/14/2014  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jabbss651 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check the cert #. If your really worried...ask the seller/dealer to exchange? Idk it may make you feel better. If It's genuine that shouldn't be a problem for the seller.
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 Posted 12/27/2014  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xaar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the second is fake ?
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A bullion dealer should have an ultrasonic testing instrument to find if it has a tungsten core. Industrial X rays are good for finding for a tungsten core as well.
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 Posted 12/27/2014  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rastatodd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my take on in. Bar to the right serial number is stamped into the bar and cert.# along with finesse and weight markings are somewhat blurred this to me is a indication of a bar that Pamp refined sometime ago hence the ink leaching into the assay card along with the old time metal die stamping into the bar itself as aposted to the modern use of laser etching into the bar to the left.Bar left new design, bar right old design. I believe you have two genuine Pamp Suisse 1 oz. gold bars. But if you are still troubled and need peace of mind find a precious metals dealer that has a
Sigma Metalytics "Precious Metal Verifier". I have used such a device and has worked swimmingly. I have provided you a link below so you can do some of your own due diligence and get the answers you seek. Hope this helps.
http://www.coinworld.com/news/sigma...metals.html#
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The 'precious metal verifier' seems to based on magnetic resonance, a similar principle used for medical investigations in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI).
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 Posted 12/27/2014  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add platinrubel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
puh... hard to say! this is the worst case:

the pamp bars are known for being made of tungsten.
here an article of the most important newspaper for economy in switzerland.
sorry but the article is only available in german.
http://www.handelszeitung.ch/untern...-aufgetaucht

maybe this site is also interesting:
http://www.bullionbaron.com/2014/08...amp-bar.html

please show also the backside!
greets platinrubel
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12/27/2014 1:46 pm
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 Posted 12/28/2014  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Know what you're buying. Drill a hole in it and test the flakes with 22K acid. Sealed stuff is funny. Stuff like this makes me rethink why people in invest in physical things if they don't know what they even are. I have to second the supplier comment: get a good source for your gold - that is KEY.
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