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Do Dealers Do This Often?

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I forgot to mention I also have found some very good buys at coin shows, I got an Lincoln MS64-65 1926-S for $70 a few weeks ago. I also got an 1953 Proof Lincoln for $30 in an PF64+. So if you look hard you can find some good deals, what I like to do is focus on one type and learn as much as I can about it, how it grades and what to look for. I also do a ebay search for completed items I am going to the show to buy and use that as my price point.
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Amazon99 I sold the coin to a friend of a dealer for $4300.00 two days after it came back. I bought another 1854 AU58 to go back in my type set. There may be a picture of it in my gallery. I'm not sure if I sold it prior to coming on to CC. Mike


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 Posted 07/07/2007  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PBCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of us can grade a coin within two grade of what PCGS, NGC, etc will grade a coin. If the value of the coin has enough value (I use $500) spend the $30 or so to have it graded by the independent service. As previously reported you may have to resend it several times. I buy and sell very few raw coins. Usually I help collectors estimate and grade and then value, submit the coin to the grading service and upon return hopefully help sell the coin. Dealers don't want to overpay for raw coins, just like you do not want to receive a low offer. Remember always by the coin for its appeal and not its grade.
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Image: Do-Dealers-Do-This-Often? Half Cent obverse high relief.jpg
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 Posted 07/09/2007  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew289 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My local dealers do this all the time. It's part of the dance. Remember that the dealers objective is to pay as little as possible for what you are selling and get as much as possible for what they are selling. What he buys at AU-55 is often turned around and sold for MS62. I've seen it happen to many times to mention. It's very common place. While sure grading is subjective and no two people will agree at any one time but that is often used as a catch all smoke screen for those who need to pay rent at the Brick & Mortor. Just realize it's all part of the game and learn how to grade the series that you collect. Knowledge is you best defense.
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Nice pics, ShadowCreator. My opinion remains, I believe the dealer was thinking to lowball you to buy the coin, although copper is kinda iffy to grade at the slider stage. I could believe the guy lacked the specialized knowledge of Half Cents to correctly grade.
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A couple of carbon spots not withstanding, that is a beautiful coin. If I'm green with envy, just call it verdigris of the envious! Calling that particular half-cent a "slider" was a gross injustice. He might have been able to quibble at MS60 vs your MS63, but that's all IMHO.

BTW...SuperDave is right. Those are excellent photos. What kind of set-up are you using?

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Great coin, I don't think it's a slider.
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I'm using a dimage A2 with tripod and portrait filter. On the obverse we increased the contrast a bit to get a better picture.
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OK, the Dimage gets added to my list of P&S cameras with good enough glass to do coins.
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AU58 to MS63 is a big spread! However, I had a $1.00 Gold Piece that was graded by PCGS as an AU58. I could never see wear on the coin and while making some other submissions to PCGS I decided to crack it out and re-submit the coin. I was hoping for an MS60 as this was a type two gold dollar and the bump would have been a major coo. Well lo and behold it came back an MS62!!! My $700.00 type coin jumped to a $4500.00 coin. So, the moral here is even the "big guys" make mistakes.

The question here is, which was the "mistake" the AU-58 or the MS-62? The fact that you sld I for 62 money is immaterial as to which grade was right since the buyer was probably heavily influenced by the slab label. I seriously doubt if he would have been interested in paying anywhere near 62 money for thet EXACT SAME COIN, if the label had still said 58.
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