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Ancient Egyptian Gold Coin

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I was hoping to get an ID on this one thanks guys.

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Constantinus II?
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Not Egyptian, but it is ancient: a solidus of the Late Roman Empire, emperor Constantius II. Minted in Antioch, a city in what is now southern Turkey. Example on Wildwinds.

I am concerned about the lack of serifs on the obverse legend; I suspect the coin may be either a replica, or "tooled" (a badly worn genuine coin where fake details have been re-engraved onto it).

If it is in your possession, can you weigh it?
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Any chance of a picture out of the plastic? I think it is supposed to be Constantius II from Antioch but need a clearer picture. Something not quite right.
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Thanks for the quick replys!
Sorry no extra pics for a week.

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The coin is pretty worn with lots of scratches, the legend appears to have been tooled. I believe the coin is real but it has seen better days.
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Thanks for the quick replys!
Sorry no extra pics for a week.~gotboostedvr6


Why?
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I agree with everything echizento said. Genuine but tooled.
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Sorry, I know this isn't much help, but when I 1st looked at this coin, I thought it said Replica on the right side of the top picture.

Maybe its the Egyptian word for Replica :)

Do the Egyptians have really old gold coinage? I bet they would be really nice coins if they do, something about ancient Egypt that I am intrigued by, and I think its the same part of me that finds the Byzantine/Roman goldies so intriguing.
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Do the Egyptians have really old gold coinage?~mashisback


There were the Ptolemaic and Roman gold issues from Alexandria.

And no doubt if you go to Al-Iskandariya or Cairo you will find in the Souks you might find Abbasid, Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk and Ottoman Gold coins.
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Do the Egyptians have really old gold coinage? I bet they would be really nice coins if they do...

Coinage was not invented until around 650 BC, so there are no really old gold coins from the time of the Pyramids. However, even 650 BC would be far too early for Egyptian coins. The Egyptians were very slow in adopting coinage for use as money; I guess they thought coins were a weird foreign Greek custom which their civilization had functioned perfectly well for thousands of years without needing, so they saw no use for them. From the sheer numbers of cut and chopped Archaic Greek coins found in Egypt, it is clear that they treated any coinage that came their way in trade as mere bullion.

The only unquestionably "native" (pre-Ptolemaic) Egyptian coinage known to exist is, however, made of gold: the famous "nefer nub" staters of pharaoh Nektanebo II (circa 359-340 BC) are the only coins to bear a legend in hieroglyphics. The bronze coins also listed on that Wildwinds page are of dubious origin, with recent scholarship suggesting they are actually from 3rd century AD Syria and not Pharaonic Egypt at all - an assertion which is, of course, strongly opposed by coin dealers who have such coins in stock and wish to sell them as Pharaonic coins.

While scholars are unanimous in ascribing the nefer nubs to Nektanebo II, scholars do, however, debate the purpose of these Pharaonic gold coins: were they intended for local use as actual local money, or were they simply to pay Greek mercenaries in a form of money the mercenaries were familiar with? The horse is very "Greek-looking", but the use of heiroglyphic text on the other side implies it was intended to be seen and used by people familiar with the local language.
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There was a post a couple days ago on ancient Egyptian coins. I can't locate it again, but the topic was interesting. And led me to this...

https://www.ancientgoldcoins.com/an...n-coins.html

These coins seem awfully expensive. But owning a piece coined under King Croesus is appealing. Especially the lion head full stater.
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And a pocket coin grade Lydian half stater is on its way from Germany! A MA Shops special.

Where did these come from? They don't seem particularly scarce. Temple hordes? Shipwrecks?
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