ICCS To PCGS

Submit it to ICCS to reholder and perhaps they offer some kind of photography service? You'll have to call, their web presence is zero

Wow, from 65 to 60?! Also, I thought while ICCS is a bit more conservative grader than PCGS/NGC, the situation is reversed when it comes to the redness of a coin.

My experience with ICCS and PCGS is the following......

Don't count on any consistent grading correlation between the two companies.

Why?.....Because when they grade, they are looking at totally different things.

The two companies have drastically different grading philosophies.

Generally, and I mean 'very generally' ICCS will be stricter than PCGS with Canadian coins.

One instance when PCGS will be stricter than ICCS is with the 'Red' designation.

Beyond this, you're basically rolling the dice.

So, good luck!!

I will grab some pictures the best I can with the dirty scratched up holder the best I can tonight...

My personal Canadian collection is all in PCGS holders, I am in the U.S. and I have been very happy with the consistency of their grading on my Canadian coins...

My only previous experiences with ICCS coins have been with circulated examples, I purchased an 1898 Canada 5 Cent graded XF45 and when I got it in hand, realized the coin had hairlines, so I just returned it, the other was an 1894 Newfoundland Half Dollar ICCS graded as VF20 and I sent into PCGS, where it came back with a VF30...

The issue I'm having while I trust myself to come up with a reasonably accurate grade, I simply cannot with the condition of the holder, and I cannot tell in the least the quality of the luster...

@Tripoli- believe me, on a coin like this, I am certainly not opposed to it upgrading on grade!

I've sent ICCS coins to PCGS to be cross-graded. Just send the cent in the current ICCS holder. When PCGS slabs it they (usually) will send you back the ICCS holder portion with the ICCS grade and cert number information.

In my past experience, many circulated ICCS-graded coins have come back in a higher grade from PCGS, in some cases by as many as 15 grade points. With the advent of the PCGS Secure grading requirement for world coins PCGS appears to have become more consistent and less prone to grade inflation.

That being said you can expect a Canadian buyer to prefer ICCS over PCGS when it comes time to sell. PCGS-graded Canadian coins seem to sell at a substantial discount to Trends. I still buy the coin, not the holder and use my own judgment when it comes time to buy. Personally I do not like ICCS holders (cheap quality with no guarantee of any sort). I also feel that ICCS has lost their touch. For example, I saw two 1921 five cents at the FUN show in Orlando, one obviously cleaned but not noted on the holder, and the other with a rim bruise, again not noted on the holder.

I have always thought of ICCS and PCGS as the premier grading companys for Canadian coins. But after the grades given by PCGS on last years BOC gold coins release I lost some faith in PCGS with Canadian coins. I felt that PCGS overgraded all of the BOC gold coins that I saw. It looked to me that they gave those coins all MS63 or better regardless if they warranted the grade. I examined several of the PCGS graded BOC coins and If the same coins were sent to ICCS they would have received MS60.

Not to hijack the original poster's thread but I agree with you heartily on this one, and it wasn't just PCGS. NGC graded gold from the big release was also waaaaaay overgraded in my opinion. I once owned a 1912 ten dollar gold in an old blue PCGS MS61 holder and it looked a hundred times better than some of the pieces currently residing in 63 and 64 holders.