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I pulled this Kennedy out of a roll searching for silver, It fooled me for a second while inspecting it closer I am not quite sure what I have, I believe its a counterfeit coin. It weighs in at 9.5 grams. It is plated and appears to be copper under the plating. It has these strange groves/lines the coin is not smooth in appearance, but feels smooth. Hard to explain hope pictures will help.


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It looks like the "real" Kennedy is trying to appear in spots on the reverse. Maybe plated but also maybe some kind of previous enamel job thus the scratches in that finish.

I think it needs a nice comfortable soak in acetone. It won't harm the coin but it may dissolve the finish...obviously it won't change if it's plated

Just a thought....

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Seems like an odd coin to "fake". But it does look like someone did something weird to it like testing some sort of finish or plating.
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That's almost 20% underweight for clad and 25% for silver. As such, not a chance it's real unless it's a wrong-planchet strike; I'll look into the potential differing planchets from that period but no optimism is expressed. How does it compare in terms of diameter and thickness to a "real" Kennedy?
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The issue is it only weighs 9.5 grams, I don't think its real, possible stamped on another plachet? Acetone did nothing. What other plachet weighs 9.5 grams anyone know? Hey thanks for the input. Its a mystery to me. Would be cool if its a Kennedy on some other plachet.
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what is the thickness?

I had heard of half plachet's being cut out of metal stock meant for quarters.
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So I took some measurements, it appears the diameter is about the same maybe a half of a half mm, The thickness is at least a half mm smaller. Please review the pictures and feel free to weigh in. As I stated before I have never ran across one of these. Why would anyone waist their time counterfeiting half dollars, maybe it was an experiment. For now I will just keep it with my plated Kennedy collection. Thanks CC Family.


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This should give everyone a good look at the measurements. Thanks again everyone.
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Odd, this. I'd think the reduced diameter - had it actually been struck at the Mint - would manifest itself in incomplete reeding. How does the reeding look to you, arby96?

The only decent potential wrong planchet candidate I could come up with was the 1972 (dated) Haiti 50 Centimes, at a weight of 10g. That's a Cu-Ni alloy, though, and not clad. This one has more the look of a clad, impaired Proof.

I'm beyond my expertise here, and unwilling to offer anything based upon personal certainty. My gut feeling is this one's a counterfeit - contrary to belief, the smart counterfeiters create cheap coins that nobody questions. Given the acceptance of US currency worldwide, it could be this one was never intended to see America's shores, but simply to be used as "real American" coinage overseas. For that, it doesn't have to be perfect, just believable.
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What does it sound like when you drop it?

What is the obverse / reverse orientation?

I am still going with it's a Magicians coin (even though I don't see the tell tale seam on the reverse rim).
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It sounds very much like a regular coin a little higher pitch. I am an amateur magician and have multiple coins tricks and have never come across anything like this. I have a half magicians ring and attempted to open it. It does not sound hallow it is solid. Here is the pic I took of the rim. If nothing else it is interesting. Also the there is no rotation on the reverse, it is the same as a regular half.


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I added a second photo? Brass or Copper? That is my question, one can see some greenish corrosion?
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Definitely looks plated based on the edge reeding as well as thinner than normal.

Does the edge reeding spacing match up to a normal 1971 half if you stack them on top if each other?

If not then it may have been sawed in half and the reeding recut to hide the seam.
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I just compared the reeding to another 71 and they match up well. There is no evidence of the coin being sawed in half. When I make my next order for graded coins I will just include this one. I would be very surprised it comes back as a Genuine coin. Thank you to all whom have replied. If anyone else has any ideas please feel free to weigh in. Thanks again.
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I think it is genuine and if you want to fork over the cash to a TPG it will simply come back "Altered Surface"

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I would like to hear the results on this one. I roll hunt also and have never seen anything like it. When I can not explain it, I keep it.
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A half dollar struck on quarter thickness stock comes in at around 9 grams. There is someone on one of the boards I frequent who has turned up at least three of them so far roll searching (he has had at least one certified as on quarter stock) They have all been 1971 half dollars. Looks like some one decided to mess up a half dollar by plating it and happened to select an actual mint error to do it on.
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This one has me stumped? Its a keeper for now.
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