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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Hope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ben, I actually have purchased some uncleaned, crusty coins. :)

I purchased twenty from a fella up in Canada. Then ten from another fella in MN, which should be here on Thursday. I figured that doing this from "scratch" will teach me a lot, real quick. Plus I like the idea of cleaning them and bringing them back to life. I keep checking that tracking information to see if it'll be sooner. lol

Have you ever purchased from CrustyRomans.com before...? I wanted to but didn't want to shell out the money just yet until I had better experience.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Hope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chuy1530, I took a look at those coin suggestions (Gordian III & Philip I). They are some pretty coins for a reasonable price! I think those just went on my soon to buy wishlist. :) Thank you for the suggestions!

Those "AE", "Ag", and "Au" make better sense now. Not that "AE" is on the periodic table. lol I guess it fits better with silver & gold. Is there a "symbol" for the coins with silvering on them?
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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no abbreviation for silvered coins that I'm aware of. Most of the time the denomination of silvered coins is known so you'll see 'Silvered Follis' or whatever the denomination is, otherwise it'll be described as 'Silvered Ae16,' with 16 of course being replaced by that coins actual size. German sellers sometimes list them as 'Silversud.'

Have fun cleaning the dirty coins. It is certainly an art form that takes a long time to master, but the first time you are able to attribute one (and even more the first time you clean a genuinely nice coin that you would have gladly purchased) makes it worth it.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, if you're wondering why you can't find Ae on the periodic table but can find Au and Ag, go ahead and look up bronze's entry on the periodic table. :)
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 Posted 03/04/2014  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bronze is AE, silver is AR, and gold is AV.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AR is short for the latin word for silver, Argentum, and the AV for gold is short for Aurum. AE for bronze I believe is short for Aes.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver coins are usually referred to as AR.

Roman bronze coins can be split into the categories AE (bronze) 4 (tiddly) 3 (a bit bigger) 2 (bigger than 3) and 1 (bigger than 2).

A lot of the time you will see AE16 (for example) meaning it is bronze 16mm. Google Roman currencies. There are no standards across the board because they all changed the weights and measurements as the need arose to save money on the content of the coins. It is a mine field!

Don't get too hung up about it in the beginning, it will come.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You beat me to it VK!

Don't forget, V in roman context is used instead of U.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Hope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a great big help! I thought the AE 15 meant the size. Is it typical for the exact same coin (i.e. images & metal) to be produced in different sizes? For example, I looked up my coin in the CoinProject website, and they said it should be AE 18. Is that typical to happen?

And can anybody explain me on what Ancient Imports meant by: "gF+/gF+"? Is that like a grading for each side of the coin?
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have to remember that coins wear down and get damaged due to age, so a coin that was 18 mm when stuck long ago could now be 16 or 15 mm wide. Same thing with weight of a coin.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Huh, I could have sworn I had seen silver coins described as 'Ag-etc' but looking now it is indeed Ar. Typically silver denominations are known, and almost always gold ones are known, so they don't come up as much as Ae.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Hope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What! How can a 2,000 old coin wear down? So ridiculous... those cheap Greeks & Romans. They should have made titanium coins. lol

I'm honestly impressed by the coin's weight for as tiny as it is. Nearly six grams in a 15mm space is decent.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is Greek, they are generally thicker than the Roman ones of that size. As the Roman Empire headed on towards the later years, boy did those Emperors become cheap. They debased the currency because mines were running out and in later years coins became smaller and thinner.

Once you have had your hands on an LRB (large bronze coin) you will be smitten.
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 Posted 03/04/2014  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red Hope to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Smitten huh? lol I like the sounds of that. Girls are smitten with pretty metals...even me! lol

Any suggestions on nice LRBs out there?
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 Posted 03/05/2014  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Id good you've found some lots (I hope you didnt overpay!). CrustyRomans arent a company I've bought from before (I buy from detectors, much better and cheaper) and I've not heard anything good or bad. Dirtyoldcoins is a good place - Raz runs a tight shift.

Before you receive the coins, you want to have the theory behind cleaning nailed down. People who poorly clean coins are the bane of the this hobby (that carausius I recently got wouldve been really nice if it had been treated well). The biggest tip I can give you is to exercise patience - I've got a coin in cleaning from Sept 2012 and a few from Dec 2012.
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