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Really Could Use Help Iding With Medieval Silver Penny Pleas

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 Posted 03/08/2014  5:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add awallin01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Now I bought this coin from someone who thought it was Richard ii, but that definitely is not the case. I'm leaning towards Edward IV, but am really unsure. Reverse I'm positive is London Mint, Long cross style. But the Obverse is incredibly difficult to decipher. I know the coins in a terrible state, I paid £6.00 for it-so I hope haven't wasted too much money.

Longest measurment is 18mm so I would guess it was about 20mm. And the weight is 0.87 grams.

Any help would really be appreciated, I have been looking but have yet to be sure on who it is on the obverse.

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The next pictures are the same coin, just messed around with the contrast.

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 Posted 03/08/2014  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be an overstrike! The CIVI TAS quarters of the reverse legend are obliterating the first few letters of the monarch's name on the obverse. Will have to be attributed on the style alone.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awallin01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank-you ever so much for helping out. I feel if I could get rid of the tarnish it would be alot easier too read the letters on the edge via a picture, I can't see any over lapping imagery with my naked eye or under my loupe. After looking a bit further I feel this picture of an Edward I silver penny matches closely, with London Mint reverse ad the obverse I'm matching the shoulders-also from a differing angle I can see a bit more of the King. They appear to have the curly hair on the sides and the definite markings of a crown up top. One thing is why I can't make out the cross at the top? Were there any silver penny's of old that didn't have the cross at cardinal north?

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Once again I truly appreciate all help and will closely listen to any opinions or leads and follow them up to the best of my ability.
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 Posted 03/09/2014  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said: overstrike. I think a struck coin was stuck again, flipped over. You don't see a cross at the top of the obverse because there's a partial image of the reverse there, specifically, the letters IVI, then one end of the long cross, then the letters TA. No need to polish it to read it better.
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03/09/2014 10:08 am
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 Posted 03/09/2014  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awallin01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks.
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The early Edwardian penny in the pic you found has the king's shoulders just suggested by two narrow wedges, which is typical for them. Have you seen this reference?
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edward...ies%20P1.htm
Your penny has a more full bust, with rounded shoulders. I wonder if that's why your friend was thinking Richard II?
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03/09/2014 11:13 am
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 Posted 03/09/2014  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awallin01 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great resource, thank-you.
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