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1771 Portrait 8 Reales With G III Counterstamp

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OK so, the first obvious issue with this coin is that, in so far as I can tell, these coins were only issued from 1772 onwards. It is underweight also at 24.91 grams.

I do know that many fakes were deliberately made by the British in the late 1700's to undermine faith in the Spanish coinage. The counter-stamp I would tentatively say looks real so perhaps this is a British contemporary forgery?

Or perhaps I'm wrong, and this is simply a standard counter-stamped George III dollar. But I'm working on the assumption this is a forgery - though perhaps a contemporary and interesting one. I know there are many members with great knowledge in this area - hope to hear from some of you.
Thanks.



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To say the least.
That is a real cool detailed counter-stamp.
Real or not. Lets see what CCF members think.
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This would get more replies if it were moved to the World Coins and Commemoratives forum, that's where the members who have the information are.


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Good idea, thanks for the suggestion - will do now
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I vote, counterfeit coin and counterfeit countermark, which were contemporarily quite common. Check out the fake mark (on a fake 8 reales) in Plate 9/#3 of this informative BNJ article:
http://www.britnumsoc.org/publicati...NJ_70_11.pdf
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I think I have made a mistake - I've double posted when I should have moved it - Can anyone tell me how to delete this thread and have it opne for discussion on the world coin forum? Sorry for the mistake!

Bpoc1 - I think you noticed I made the mistake :-)
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Philadelphian - Thanks for that fantastic information booklet. Just had a scanned read through some of the most appropriate sections - no doubt the forgery of both coins and the countermarks was hugely prevalent
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