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Help With 1 Grano-Italian States Coin-1790 CC

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 Posted 07/23/2007  3:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JRC to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I have a 1 Grano (12 Cavalli) piece from the Italian States of Naples and Sicily. The date is clearly 1790. Krause has it listed as C#39-1790 CC. Can anyone tell me what the CC stands for and what the A.P. on the reverse of the coin stands for. Thank you (pictures included.) Sorry about the pictures, that seems to be as big as they will let me upload.



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I can solve part of the mystery for you - you don't have a 1790 CC, you have a 1790 AP - a variety not listed in Krause. Here's what a 1790 CC looks like. I couldn't find an example of the 1790 AP on CoinArchives.

This of course, answers one riddle but creates a new one: Does it's absence from Krause mean anything significant? And we still haven't answered your original question, what does AP stand for?

I can't really answer either of those questions. "AP" should be the mintmaster's initials, but Krause inexplicably stops it's list of mintmaster's marks in the 1750's. Maybe nobody knows? Whoever he was, AP continued his mark on Neapolitan coins until 1803, but the 1800's Krause doesn't list the mint officials at all for this state.

The non-listing of a 1790 AP 1 grana in Krause could simply be an accidental omission, and the coin is common enough. The 1600's and to a lesser extent the 1700's Krauses do have several errors and omissions, particularly in the minor denominations.

It could, of course, be non-listed because it's a super-rarity that Krause has never heard of. We'd need an expert in the Italian series to tell for sure.
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Thank you. Your help is very appreciated. I don't know about you, but I enjoy a good coin mystery and I have had this one for over twenty years, way before I heard of Krause or the internet. Although, I think I'm starting to rely on the Krause's so much that I sometimes forget that they do contain errors and omissions.
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