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 Posted 04/26/2014  2:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have seen the half eagle/half lion on some mediƫval coins of Poland.
But this coin/token stays unknown
diam 2,9cm


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 Posted 04/26/2014  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When in doubt, I usually assume any old hammered coin is a jeton.

But we will have to wait for someone who knows what they're doing.
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 Posted 04/27/2014  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The shield on the reverse carries a crude representation of the arms of Burgundy. In this form, the arms were borne by Philip the Good and Charles the Bold, but the left half of the obverse figure would appear to be half of the Habsburg double-headed eagle. These two families were joined when Charles' daughter, Mary of Burgundy, married the Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I. So it's Mary's arms on the reverse, and the obverse represents the union of the Habsburg eagle and the lion of Flanders. A Low Countries jeton of 1477 commemorates their marriage negotiations in this way:

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Your jeton's legends don't read this way, though. In fact, they don't read in any particular way at all. They appear to be "fictitious legends," typical of the Nuremberg jeton-makers of the late 15th and early 16th centuries. I found at least one Dutch forum thread referring to there being many of these copies of the original 1477 jeton, believed to have been made into the 1520s, with the fictitious legend suggesting a Nuremberg source.
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 Posted 04/28/2014  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Phil,
It was my guess also that it was from Nuremberg.
I found it together with some other Nuremberg jetons.
Can you tell me wich book you found the picture of the Original jeton?
Again thanks
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 Posted 04/28/2014  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Le Jeton Historique Des Dix-Sept Provinces Des Pays-Bas by J.F. Dugniolle. No picture, but the bottom of the entry refers to the 18th century Van Mieris text, where there's an engraving. There's got to be a more current image out there, though.
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 Posted 04/28/2014  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Phil, Ihave found them
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 Posted 04/28/2014  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post a pic of the original jeton if you found one!
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 Posted 04/29/2014  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is a drawing of an Original, from the book of Frans Van Mieris
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