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Macedonian Mints (A Somewhat Longer Post)

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Hey everyone
Lately I have been educating myself more and more on Macedonian coins particularly those during Philip the II and Alexander the III reign with a fascination for coins manufactured in Macedonia. In my research there appears to be very few mints there the most notable being Pella and Amphipolis while weirdly Aegai the old capital and one of the larger minters prior to Alexander has only one coin attributed to it a distater.

Now being such a big coin and being exceptionally valuable I find it hard to believe that the Macedonian's would set up a mint in one of the largest cities to only strike one particular denomination without any other die varieties (the distater wouldn't have been made on nearly the same scale as the tetradrachms as their value was so high). So what I have found is that there are a number of different types which can be proven to have been minted in Macedonia but can't be linked to either Pella nor Amphipolis. So what I am really trying to say is shouldn't these coins be attributed to Aegai as it is the only other possibility available (please correct me if there were any other mints in Macedonia at the time).

Thanks for your time everyone and sorry for the long post

P.s. Just to confirm coins from these mints would be valued purely on a mint premium in this order
Pella
Aegai
Amphipolis
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Sounds like the debate over Carausius' Mints. Worth a read, as a parallel.
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You raise an interesting point and one that needs more research. From what limited reading that I have done on the Macedonian mints the main mint was located at Amphipolis which seems to differ from what you have found. Pella was also mentioned but not Aegai. I'm trying to recall where I read this but it escapes me at the moment.
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Thanks for the interesting link BenByField really appreciate it. Enchizento that is correct the Amphipolis mint was the primary international mint (due to its location being so close to the rich Pangaion hills with all the gold and silver there) while Pella was more the Domestic mint for Macedonia.

By the way how would one go about linking these unattributed coins and dies to the Aegai mint or even to each other would be good enough for me at the moment.
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Here is an interesting article that you may already be aware of. It does spoke about the mint mark on coins of Alexander III. http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Jo...exander.html
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There is also a interesting book on Alexander III and Philip Arrhidaeus in two volumes available as a PDF download from Google Books. "The Coinage in the name of Alexander III & Philip Arrhidaeus" 1991

Looking through these books I think you might find your answers there.
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By the way how would one go about linking these unattributed coins and dies to the Aegai mint or even to each other would be good enough for me at the moment.

The short answer is, "archaeology". Archaeologists attribute coins of unknown origin to mint-cities based on find evidence. If coins of type X are frequently found in or in a radius around the ruins of city Y, then it can be said with confidence that city Y made the type X coins. One can make logical deductions until the cows come home about where the mint "should have been", but if there's no evidence on the ground there, it does not become an archaeological fact. I assume for the coins in question that the evidence simply isn't there; either the coins are rarely found or the evidence is so ambiguous that no conclusions can be made.

One should also remember that mints were in theory a lot more "portable" back then than they are now. All you needed were the workers, some basic tools and a room which could be (temporarily) secured. Both Philip and Alexander were warrior-kings, spending much of their reign on the march. They may have taken their mint, or at least some of the mint workers, with them, as some of the later Roman emperors did. If the same coins were struck from the same dies in different places, that can throw plenty of confusion into the archaeological record.
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Thanks for the great links enchizento and thanks for the info sap however on the Military mints for what I am looking at I don't think it would have been a problem because the coins were conclusively proven to be minted in Macedonia at the time but they were unsure of the mint that made them (after the first year of Alexander the great when the Greek states were conquered there weren't very many military campaigns in the region so a military mint shouldn't have been necessary?). But in terms of the eastern conquests I would definitely agree with the military mint origin of a number of coins I mean the empire was so large that transporting coinage would have only complicated logistical matters.
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