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Azes II Drachm

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Hi , I recently bought a semi-greek drachm from a local dealer . The dealer wanted $ 250 but I managed to talk him down to $100 . So did I over pay and what is the history behind this coin and Mr Azes II .

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$250 down to $100 is sort of mean. I don't know what the coin is so can't help, I only hope that for knocking $150 of the poor guys price that it's a $5 piece, but congrats anyway...
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$250 was way over priced. You can pick up nice tetradrachm of Azes II starting at under $100. I think you over paid a bit but not too bad.
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All Azes coins are tough to find in high grade if the coin is indeed XF then I think you got it for the right price. Check out coinindia.com there is some info on Azes or should I say lack there of....very interesting.
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Thanks Ancientnoob .
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$100 is a pretty fair price all around, so I don't feel bad for the seller. Nobody made him make the deal anyway.

It's tough to tell too much about the condition in those pictures; you didn't get totally ripped off so if it was worth $00 to you then you paid exactly the right amount :). Cool coin to have either way.
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I had a look at the VCOINS site.
Although there a few examples at around the $100 mark, reasonable quality examples can be had from around $25 and upward.
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Without an ounce of sarcasm, if you can link me to a ~$25 Azes II silver drachm I'll be parting with ~$25 tonight.
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what is the history behind this coin and Mr Azes II .

This coin comes from the coinage series known as "Indo-Scythian", rather than the "Indo-Greek" written on the 2x2.

Alexander the Great conquered the territory we now call Pakistan and Afghanistan from the Persians sometime around 330-328 BC. The area was known as Bactria. After Alexander's death his empire was partitioned and the Seleucid kingdom based in Syria inherited Bactria. In 225 BC, a local governor in Bactria seceded from the Seleucids and founded the Bactrian Kingdom. The Bactrians eventually annexed parts of what is now India, but their kingdom too soon fractured and split into numerous kingdoms and dynasties. This is the "Indo-Greek" period, roughly 230 to 130 BC.

Barbarian nomads, known as "Scythians" to the Greeks and "Sakas" to the Indians, slowly moved south during this same time, taking over some of the weaker kingdoms and eventually assimilating them all. This was the "Indo-Scythian" period.

The Indo-Scythians, being barbarian in nature, kept few records of themselves. In most cases, the coins themselves are just about the only evidence we have for the existence of the kings named on them.

In the case of your king, Azes II, even this is in doubt. There was certainly an Indo-Scythian king named Azes, (Azes I), who ruled roughly from 58 to 35 BC. A King named "Azilizes" ruled at about that same time, though whether he was a son, brother, joint ruler, heir, rival or usurper is unknown. A king named "Azes" also ruled around 35 BC to 12 BC, though it is unknown if this ruler (called "Azes II") is in fact a separate ruler or the same person known to history as "Azes I". There is a clear break in the coinage design at 35 BC, marking the boundary between "Azes I" and "Azes II" coins. Azes II coins are also typically more debased, so it is speculated that at least some of the Azes II coins was issued by other kings (who were not actually named Azes), who hoped to get their cheap debased coins accepted on par with finer Azes I coins.
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Without an ounce of sarcasm, if you can link me to a ~$25 Azes II silver drachm I'll be parting with ~$25 tonight.


They are out there. Debased silver, to be sure, but drachms none the less.

http://www.vcoins.com/en/Search.asp...By=price_asc
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Couldn't find an Azes II drachm on there in that range that I liked (like you said, a couple very debased ones), but a Azes I Tetradrachm for a bit more caught my eye and is on it's way to me now so thank you for the link :)
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