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1982 5c Multi Major Errors And Mule

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 Posted 05/24/2014  11:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi I have a 5c it is the size could it be a indent die cap wrong planchet mule it is indented it has a image at the bottom of the indent and the coin if twice as thick
or could it be to coins fused together any way you guys are good work this one out

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05/25/2014 01:30 am
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 Posted 05/25/2014  01:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how much should it weigh?
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05/25/2014 01:32 am
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2.83 grams pennyman007,
Very interesting coin Shane,gotta be a wrong planchet I reckon,it's been struck & not eject properly ( probably due to the extra weight ) then the next coin was struck partially on top of this coin causing the indent error we see.

BTW do you still have my address info so you can send it to me when you have had your fun with it lololol.
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05/25/2014 01:45 am
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Its an odd looking error, just about looks fake. IMO
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wow pennyman I cant find anything don't tell me I have to toss this one also
I just cant see how you could fake it and why would you its to thick and has a great hollow it cant be fake on to the bin s---t I am hopeless
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Sorry Shanew but I said "just about" not for sure. What I find suspicious is the sharpness of the outer rim in the indented area. Many fake errors come from China.
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its 2.2mm thick normal is 1.3mm thick could a piece of coin get stuck on a say top die and on the next strike be pressed in to the next strike making a indent in the second coin and leaving the piece in the coin also the readed eadge is so striking like it got pressed into the collar very hard

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Could be an indent with partial brockage on wrong planchet,sounds pretty wild but thats what it looks like to me.
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he apple you are better then me at this I find the junk you guys work it out. I know it might have a record of errors.but it still looks great
or a long description to long to wright on a label for a slab or just more junk for my dam
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don't through in the dam,throw it into an envelope with my address on it hahahahahaha.
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Might have been struck through a partial die cap on wrong planchet, I admit I know very little about the coins from OZ so I'm not familiar with the tolerances on weight and thickness.
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went into a usa site on error last night to try and work it out
I thought partial die cap reverce brockage wrong planchet error
what a mouth full
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Here is what I believe:

Rather than it being a partial brockage, this piece is a brockage from an elliptical clip. From 12 - 3 o'clock, the brockage doesn't cover the design rim, and even some of the field is still present. If it was a partial brockage from a fully struck coin, the field and rim would not be as fully struck as it is seen here. At about 2:30, the brockage also comes to a point, which is what you would expect to see from a brockage of a large elliptical clip.

In addition, as you have already noted, the planchet is heavy. I believe, rather than this being struck on a wrong (foreign, or other denomination) planchet, that it was actually struck on a rolled thick planchet. If you can find evidence that the Royal Australian mint produced a coin with these specifications (weight and alloy), than you will have an argument for this piece being struck on a foreign or other denomination planchet.

To summarize, I would call this a brockage from an elliptical clip, struck on a rolled thick planchet. It's certainly a rare combination of errors and a cool combination too.

I would consider posting this in the US error forum (though it is against the forum rules), as you will likely get many more opinions from individuals who specialize in errors.
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I would call this a brockage from an elliptical clip, struck on a rolled thick planchet.

Thats exactly what crossed my mind last night. Check the site error-ref.com
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I have not had coffee yet wow what a mouthful will
send them a email today
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this is the closest I could get

Counterbrockage/Clashed Cap Strike on mule planchet


Definition: This is one of the eight ways in which a brockage-counterbrockage error can be generated. In this scenario, an obverse die cap that is striking counterbrockages clashes with the reverse die when a planchet fails to be fed into the striking chamber. The working face of the die cap picks up an incomplete set of reverse design elements while, at the same time, some of the incuse, mirror-image elements on the working face of the cap are erased. The next planchet to be fed into the striking chamber after this event is left with a sharp, incomplete, unexpanded brockage and a scattering of counterbrockage elements
THESE IMAGES ARE FROM error-ref.com with thanks they have a great site
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