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I'm in this dilemma that I can buy a coin that I need for my type set for $87, or I can buy a book I need/want for my research for $40.

Here is the coin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1839-CAPPED...em1e8bc11cf2

Here is the book:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Sinking...em418155d8cb

The research I am doing is for an extended essay (3,000 - 4,000 words) arguing that the main cause of the Titanic is insufficient and outdated laws and regulations. I think the book is cool in that 1) it is a first edition from 1912, the year in which the Titanic sank, 2) it is a primary source that covers some of the arguments in my essay, and 3) there is no online version of the book . I can't say the same about the coin, but it seems like a really good deal. It is an either/or situation for me, so
I am leaning towards the book. What do you guys think?


Final clue: This famous ship sank into the ocean blue in the year one thousand nine hundred ten plus two. I have an artifact from this ship. What is it? (Hint: it is readily available and legal to buy.)
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 Posted 05/25/2014  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which one would be easier to find in the near future?
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 Posted 05/25/2014  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add frodo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
is the book available at your library?

if so, check they book out of the library, use it to do your research and buy the coin
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 Posted 05/25/2014  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not at a library that I have access to.
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Are you sure that the information found in the book will still have validity for an academic paper? They only found the wreckage in 1985 and since then there has been some major studies conducted on the cause of the sinking with underwater unmanned vehicles creating computer models of the ship.

Also check your university's library since sometimes they have agreements with other university's to share books and some libraries have digitized large portions of their collections. I found a rare public works plan for my city had been digitized by Harvard and was able to get a copy for free.
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Since I am doing a paper in the subject of history for the International Baccalaureate program, they have guidelines for analyzing the historiography of the chosen topic. Since this book was published in 1912, just months after the sinking of the Titanic, it offers the advantage of primary source material and a rare insight as to the causes of the disaster right after it happened. Two other primary sources that I will be using are the final reports of the US Senate Inquiry and the British Inquiry, which outline the causes of the sinking and recommends legislative changes that should be made in order to improve safety at sea. I am arguing that the shortcomings in the previously-enacted laws were the main culprit in the Titanic disaster. If you haven't gotten the gist of this post, I feel that I am leaning towards the book. I can always sell it when I am done with it.

Also, I do not attend a university; I am still in high school. I have also acknowledged the scientific studies done from evidence gathered from the sea floor, which pointed a finger at the rivets in the bow of the ship to be the cause of the sinking. However, I argue that the rivets didn't navigate the Titanic into an iceberg; a lack of strict regulations regarding the safe passage through an ice field (which was larger than normal in April 1912) and heeding all ice warnings did.
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awwww I see.. could not the argument be made that even tho the pilot was negligent in the steering of the vessal
that the rivets should have not popped loose
therefore it could be said the cause was 3 fold
negligent's and inferior materials? compounded by
the inadequacy of the design of bulk heads?
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Interesting.

By all means go for the book. Although the coin you linked to is a nice example, 1839 Capped Bust halves are common and I'm confident you will be able to find a comparable example at a later time fairly easily.
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I'd rather have both, but if I have to choose, I go for the book.
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 Posted 05/26/2014  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wiggam007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, Here is online text, minus photos, but maybe that will help? http://web.archive.org/web/20080919011312/http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/m...MarSink.html

Also, it looks like it got republished a year or two ago so you can get it as an ebook: http://books.google.com/books?id=Br...her_versions

But, if you want to have your hands on an actual copy of the book, pictures and all, go with buying the book.
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Buy both, there are two copies of the book on abebook.com in hardcover (2003 publishing date, not 1912 though) for $8.50 one with free shipping and one for $5.85 and $2.48 shipping.
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awwww I see.. could not the argument be made that even tho the pilot was negligent in the steering of the vessal
that the rivets should have not popped loose
therefore it could be said the cause was 3 fold
negligent's and inferior materials? compounded by
the inadequacy of the design of bulk heads?


That is one of the counterarguments in my essay. The engineering failures were not necesarilly the result of legislation failures, but, as I said earlier, the engineering failures did not navigate the Titanic into the iceberg. But, as with all disasters, the sinking of the Titanic was a result of a nasty chain of events, and I'm arguing that the faulty legislation allowed this chain to happen. However, if the accident had been unaboidable, then yes, I would harp on the engineering failures. But, in this case, the accident was avoidable, so I have to find an underlying cause, which I am arguing is the faulty legislation. And yes, when everything fell into place, the engineering failures did compound the disaster and cause the Titanic to sink more quickly - before help could arrive.
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Wiggam007 and Conder101, you guys have thrown a curveball into my decision. I just checked abebooks, and there is a 1998 copy for $3.81 shipped. Now I don't know which way I'm leaning.

Plus I'd be more confident flipping through a book from 1998 that cost $4 than one from 1912 that cost $40.
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Like I said, buy both. If you can afford $87 for the coin you want, can't you stretch just a little more for the $4 book too?

Heck if you can't I'll pay the $4, but I get the book when you're done with your research.

Hey Amazon has a Kindle version for 99 cents.

Gotta love cheap, good quality books. Just finish a good one. Last Call, the rise and fall of Prohibition by Daniel Okrent. Published in 2010 Interesting era, and I thought I knew a fair amount about it. The book was fascinating and taught me a lot I didn't know. 400 plus pages, hardbound, cost me $3.50 including shipping.
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 Posted 05/27/2014  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you passed on both!
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I'm waiting for the seller to relist the coin at the moment. It ended before I had the chance to buy it or make my decision. I'm going to buy the $4 book and try to buy the coin from the seller.

Thanks for the offer Conder, but I think I can manage.
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