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Can someone who is in touch.."Behind the Scenes"..please contact me, or, post..I have numerous PCGS SP 5 Oz. ATB Data Base issues that need correcting..nothing I've tried is working...in a nutshell, more than 50% of my SP70 2010-2014 Coins do not show in reports, many, in price guides, (these are ALL NON First Strike MERCANTI INSERT special BPS Labels), (low POP label) has just been lost in the system...I am very frustrated...GLAD to call a manager, and go over my large list of issues I have dug up the last 60 days..I'm losing my trust, and, this is not good....My MERCANTI LIGHT SATINS "do not Exist", as ALL 5 2011's..they got the 2012 right, but, 7 coins evaporated. As far as price guide..don't even go there...
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 Posted 06/21/2014  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comes up for me.

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 Posted 06/21/2014  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cert Verification

According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested
certification number is defined as the following:
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 27709299
PCGS Coin #: 508351
Date, mintmark: 2010-P
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Grand Canyon NP Light Satin - 5 oz Silver
Country: The United States of America
Grade: SP69
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $900
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 1
===================================
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 27867763
PCGS Coin #: 524380
Date, mintmark: 2010-P
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Grand Canyon NP 5oz Silver Mercanti Signature
Country: The United States of America
Grade: SP70
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $425
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 1
View this coin in PCGS CoinFacts
===========================
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 27709294
PCGS Coin #: 508750
Date, mintmark: 2010-P
Denomination: 25C
Variety: Hot Springs NP Light Satin - 5 oz Silver
Country: The United States of America
Grade: SP69
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $450
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 7
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The 2 light satin I have are Mercanti, but, do not get a unique coin number...I just don't get it one bit..yes, the POP numbers are correct..it's showing the MERC Insert, or, lack thereof thats odd...Why they just can list exactly what is on the label for each coin is odd, due to varying coin number system, which seems random, at best..I think NGC does a much better job, and, has the SATIN FINISH in their composite, while PCGS does not...YET...it's in their best interests(PROFITS0, to make a new composite..COMPLETE SET WITH MAJOR VARIETIES, just like all the other denominations in the registry.
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 Posted 06/21/2014  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your Light Satin Mercanti Signature non First Strike is not showing up. Honestly between the First Strike Light Satin, non-First Strike Light Satin, Mercanti First Strike Light Statin, Mercanti non-First Strike Light Satin, non-Mercanti non-First Strike Light Satin, First Strike Regular Finish, non-First Strike Regular Finish, Mercanti First Strike Regular Finish, Mercanti non-First Strike Regular Finish, non-Mercanti non-First Strike Regular Finish it's easy to see how it might have been overlooked or added into another "label". I'd call PCGS and ask them directly.
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 Posted 06/21/2014  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome...it's got me frazzled, to say the least..
You know...this (the 5 Ounce Arena), IMHO, is big..getting bigger.an exciting series, National Interest, History, limited mintages, bullion value, some rare and hard-to-find Varieties, in high grade(the 4 "Matte" Finish, as I prefer to call them)..... just look on ebay for 2010 SP70 sets. 2011 same..First Strike, or not, Mercanti, or not...it's huge numbers....my 2011-P PCGS SP70 set has doubled in value in just months...on paper yes, but, still, this denomination rocks now...CDN does not track slabbed sales(as with most moderns)....anyone want to figure out a way to do a ATB newsletter..let's do it...I'm game...
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 Posted 06/21/2014  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey ilikeikes - At least you're keeping a sense of humor about it!



I was e-mailing with a collector last week who buys recent mint issues and re-sells them. He said the HOF stuff made him a ton of money. I did get into the ATB 5 ozers back in 2010 and did pretty well too.

PCGS is usually able to get requests worked through their system but it might take a month or two. Hang tight.
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 Posted 06/21/2014  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks..BH!
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HERE'S MY Inventory LIST, AND, IN PARENTHESIS, THE "PROBLEM" COINS..If Mercanti Insert Signed, should be in data base..on SOME ATB's, Mercanti has a premium, on others, they give the same coin# as a non-First Strike, and, No Premium...one would think ALL Mercanti Signed Inserts would have a premium.
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> 27867763 524380 2010-P Grand Canyon NP 5oz Silver Mercanti
> Signature 25C SP70
> ===================================================================
> 20140373 505108 2010-P Grand Canyon NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ===================================================================
> 27709299 508351 2010-P Grand Canyon NP Light Satin - 5 oz Silver 25C SP69....(BPS LABEL/MERCANTI SIGNATURE INSERT..NOT SHOWING)
> ===================================================================
> 27709294 508750 2010-P Hot Springs NP Light Satin - 5 oz Silver 25C SP69----(BPS LABEL/MERCANTI SIGNATURE INSERT..NOT SHOWING)
> ===================================================================
> 20200025 505105 2010-P Hot Springs NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP67
> ==================================================================
20893132 505105 2010-P Hot Springs NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP69
>
> ==================================================================
> 26259867 505105 2010-P Hot Springs NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ==================================================================
> 20282476 505109 2010-P Mount Hood NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ==================================================================
> 24408254 505109 2010-P Mount Hood NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ==================================================================
> 29544623 504971 2010-P Yellowstone NP 5 oz Silver 25C SP70
> =================================================================
> 27709302 504971 2010-P Yellowstone NP 5 oz Silver 25C SP70
--------------------(BPS LABEL/MERCANTI SIGNATURE INSERT..NOT SHOWING)
> =================================================================
> 20367053 505106 2010-P Yellowstone NP 5oz Silver - First Strike-25C SP70
> =================================================================
> 20493949 505107 2010-P Yosemite NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ==================================================================
> 20308805 505107 2010-P Yosemite NP 5oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
> ================================================================
> 29118862 507398 2011-P Gettysburg NP 5 oz Silver 25C SP70
----------------------(BPS LABEL/MERCANTI SIGNATURE INSERT..NOT SHOWING)
> ============================================================
> 26858374 524382 2011-P Olympic NP 5oz Silver Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ================================================================
> 26858378 524381 2011-P Glacier NP 5oz Silver Mercanti Signature25CSP70
> =================================================================
> 26604969 524384 2011-P Chickasaw NP 5oz Silver Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ================================================================
> 26830108 524383 2011-P Vicksburg NP 5oz Silver Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ==============================================================
> 28232747 520983 2012-P El Yunque NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti
> Signature 25C SP70
> =============================================================
> 28232750 520984 2012-P Chaco Culture NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti
> Signature 25C SP70
> =================================================================
> 28232758 520985 2012-P Acadia NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ===============================================================
> 28232759 520986 2012-P Hawaii Volcanoes NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti
> Signature 25C SP70
> =================================================================
> 27224852 519841 2012-P Denali NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ===========================================================
> 27873061 518173 2013-P White Mountain NP 5 oz Silver- First Strike 25C SP70.....(MERCANTI INSERT NOT SHOWING)
> ================================================================
> 29118871 518177 2013-P Great Basin NP 5 oz Silver 25C SP70
------------------------(BPS LABEL/MERCANTI SIGNATURE INSERT..NOT SHOWING)
> ===============================================================
> 28629964 522604 2013-P Mount Rushmore NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike,
> Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ================================================================
> 28836598 522604 2013-P Mount Rushmore NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike,
> Mercanti Signature 25C SP70
> ================================================================
> 28254352 520836 2013-P Fort McHenry NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike
> Mercanti Signatures 25C SP70
> =================================================================
> 28115898 520555 2013-P Perry's Memorial NP 5 oz Silver Mercanti 25C SP70
> ===============================================================
29723973 527030 2014-P GreatSmoky Mtns NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike 25C SP70
>
> ===========================================================
> 29967784 528710 2014-P Shenandoah NP 5 oz Silver - First Strike Mercanti Signature 25C SP70---
>
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And what does this tell you ?

While PCGS continues to to sell and market labels for these coins as "unique" and "value enhancing", in reality they treat these slabs in their pop. reports and coin value listings as ordinary standard slabs.

Can you say hypocrites ?
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Yes...one must be careful to look for the so-called unique coin numbers..now hidden by a bar code, to see if a true low pop coin...luckily, most of my coins are in this group...I've found out the hard way, a few are not. Since 2 of them are "satin finish", they carry a premium unto themselves...First strike, Signed, or not. Good point denco7..very good point for all involved.
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Buy the coin, not the slab.
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That is a boatload of hockey pucks! I'm still waiting to see the 20 slab storage boxes PCGS & NGC come up with for these.



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I bought a 2010 set in this box, which AMPEX used for their 1,000+ Bullion ATB slabs in late 2010...I love it.....FOAM insert keeps slabs safe..foam lid too....some say too big..I disagree....cannot find new ones anywhere...sent a pic to Ampex, to find maker..no word back yet..PCGS would be wise to create a new plastic box with lid, for their oversized ATB coins...I'd buy them.

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