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 Posted 07/17/2014  10:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add em11388 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, new member, I'm not a collector but found an odd coin in the bottom of some boxes after moving.
Its a silver 2p from 1997. I'm intrigued as to whether its a mistake or was some kind of limited run from that year?
I have no idea about coins but this one seemed strange to me.
Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks :-)
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 Posted 07/17/2014  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the Community!

I moved your welcome post to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.
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 Posted 07/17/2014  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danhelmick98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 07/18/2014  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add em11388 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately I can't upload pics from my camera to my tablet (laptop died)
It looks the same as a standard 2p, just its silver. Will try and find a way to do pics
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 Posted 07/18/2014  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

There were no silver 2p coins intentionally struck in 1997. But there are several possibi8lities to explain a coin that is silver-coloured when it is supposed to be coppery.

The commonest explanation is that someone has plated or painted it. They may have done so in an effort to make the coin appear higher-value than it was - a plated 2p might pass as an old-sized 10p coin, for example. This isn't a likely explanation for a 1997-dated coin, though, because old-size 10p coins had been withdrawn by then. Or it may have been plated for other reasons. I own a "silver" Australian 2 cent piece. It is actually zinc-plated. I know this becasue my father made it as part of a chemistry demonstration. An electroplated coin (like mine) usually has a small unplated spot, somewhere on the rim or edge; this is where the wire was attached and later broken off again. So look for any breaks or holes in the silver colouring where copper is showing through.

British "copper" coins of 1997 were actually made of plated steel. It could simply be that some kind of chemical reaction has stripped away the thin copper plating, leaving the steel core. Something mildly acidic like lemon juice, cola or vinegar ought to do it. If so, it should look pitted from the acid, and perhaps rusty in places as the steel rusts easily once the plating is removed.

Finally, it is remotely possible that the coin is a "wrong planchet" error - the coin was accidentally struck on a blank piece of metal intended for a different coin (either British or foreign). An easy way to tell this is to weigh it - it is virtually impossible that a wrong planchet just happens to weigh exactly the same as a normal 2p coin. So I would suggest weighing it, preferably on a balance that is accurate to at least 2 decimal places (0.01 grams).
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 Posted 07/18/2014  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I vote magnet test

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 Posted 07/19/2014  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
May I add to this...

I have a silver 2 pence from 2001. It was in a £1 bag of 2 pence change picked up from post office.

I will post pics....

The coin has corroded somewhat.. How can I clean this up?
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 Posted 07/19/2014  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pics of my 'silver' 2 pence..

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It is attracted to a magnet. What does that mean?
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 Posted 07/19/2014  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since it's attracted to a magnet, it means it's either made of a nickel or an iron alloy (technically, at room temperature it could also be made of cobalt, gadolinium [albeit highly toxic], gallium manganese arsenide [albeit a very new and expensive alloy], or any other of less-than-easily-available ferromagnetic alloys not containing iron, nickel, cobalt, or gadolinium).

Since in 1997, 2 pence coins were made of copper-plated steel, the best explanations I can think of are four: 1) plated in zinc, silver, or another grey metal (it could even be mercury); 2) the copper plating has been removed (but that should leave the coin's surface etched and easily to distinguish upon close inspection; 3) struck on a wrong planchet; 4) struck on a proper planchet, but lacking the copper plating (similar to US zinc Lincoln cents missing their copper plating)

Weighing the coin is necessary here. If it weighs more than a 1997 two pence should weigh, and is relatively the same thickness, it has been plated. If it weighs the same as another denomination (foreign or domestic, "It is logical that a greater number of steel 1944 Philadelphia cents are known than from the two branch mints, since the Philadelphia Mint struck 25 million Belgium two francs on the same zinc-coated steel alloy planchet type used for the 1943 cents") should weigh ( and also should be lacking some part of the design, even if its small), it was struck on a wrong planchet. If it weighs less than it should, but doesn't match up to any known denomination produced (foreign or domestic) at The Royal Mint in 1997, and doesn't show any signs under magnification of the plating being removed, it is missing it's copper plating and is a mint error.

To answer your previous question, the corrosion, I wouldn't clean it if I were you. If it is a true mint error, than just take the steps to preserve the coin now (2x2, airtight, etc.) rather than damage the coin by cleaning it (if it's rust, there's no way I know of to safely remove it without doing damage in the process)
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 Posted 07/20/2014  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Firstly, my apologies to em11388 for hijacking this thread!

Secondly, many thanks to Groszy for your comprehensive reply..

This coin was in a sealed bag of, apparently brand new, 2 p's from the local post office. It obviously caught my eye as it stood out from all the shiny copper coins. I thought it was a 10 pence.

I am very keen to find out more about the coin but have not been able to find much, if any, information relating to 'silver' 2 p's. I was very excited when I saw the first post by em11388 relating to a silver 2 pence, albeit from a different year.

I guess in order to weigh the coin I will need to acquire some jewelry scales that will weigh in very small increments?

I am also very keen to preserve the coin as best as I can, but have little knowledge in these things. Groszy you mentioned 2x2, airtight etc.. where can I purchase these bits to preserve the coin. It is currently wrapped up tissue (probably not the best way to keep it).

Some, hopefully, better pics for you...


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 Posted 07/22/2014  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That does look like rust, so I'm leaning towards the planchet lacking the copper plating.

However, a scale, yes...you will need a good one that measures down to tenths (and maybe even hundredths, doesn't hurt) of a gram. A jeweler's scale should work, but there might be other cheaper alternatives out there.

2x2's are sold here in America by Hobby Lobby I know, although they are cheaper types, you can always try local craft stores. I'm not sure where Wizard Coin Supply can ship, but you can always buy from them.
2x2's: http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pro...s/2x2-flips/
Coin Capsules: http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/pro...in-capsules/ (Airtights I think are the best, Kointains I believe are used by the Smithsonian and other museums)
Scales: http://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/products/scales/

Wrapped up in tissue isn't the best way to preserve it, no. There are acids in tissues that can and will tone the coin over time. However, in the interim it's not bad since it's at least keeping air from further corroding the coin, or at least massively reducing it.
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 Posted 05/31/2017  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know I am dragging up an old thread here...sorry...but I did post on this thread originally and figure it would help if anyone reading this gets to see my original questions.

I took my silver 2 pence to be assessed by an 'expert'. He dismissed the coin as a hoax and that it was worthless, as it has been 'sanded down and sprayed silver', his words. He did not weigh the coin or exam closely, in my opinion.

I am looking for a second opinion based on how the coin came into my possession and that I have now weighed the coin and it is indeed lighter than a normal 2 pence from the same era (it weighs about 6.5 grams). I know this is not conclusive in proving a mint error but I would like a true proper expert to look at the coin.

Can anyone provide me details of a trusted coin expert, in the U.K., that I can visit and have this assessed?

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 Posted 05/31/2017  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pwa 1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just post the coin to The Royal Mint.
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 Posted 05/31/2017  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the reply. I have visited their website and this is an excerpt from there:-

"We find that in many instances it is better for members of the public to approach a reputable coin dealer who should be able to provide a valuation. The Royal Mint does not value coins, but it should be possible for you to locate a coin dealer by contacting the British Numismatic Trade Association."

Would you still advise sending to them?
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 Posted 05/31/2017  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pwa 1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They wont give a value although will inform you if its genuine.
Alternatively were abouts do you live ?.
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 Posted 05/31/2017  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thrupny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I see, that would be great. I am from Buckinghamshire, Amersham.
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