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1934-S Peace Silver Dollar Grade

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 Posted 09/07/2014  5:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Peacesilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Bought this @ Long Beach show yesterday. Asked dealer whether it was cleaned or not. But dealer said it wasn't. Need opinions on the grade and whether it looks like cleaned or not.

1934-S-Peace-Silver-Dollar-Grade

1934-S-Peace-Silver-Dollar-Grade

Sorry for the pic quality. I used my phone to take the picture.
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09/07/2014 5:20 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2014  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night-Hawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks ok, pics are a little small, appears to be some luster creeping through..
Very tough coin, looks EF+

Looks like a minor rim bump on obv 4:00
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09/07/2014 5:42 pm
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 Posted 09/07/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Extremely Fine details, cleaned.
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 Posted 09/07/2014  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sharpened the obverse pic a bit. Not sure if it helps. I'll take a stab at XF45.

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09/07/2014 8:16 pm
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Based on the pictures I am leaning towards cleaned. It appears to have AU details.
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 Posted 09/08/2014  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peacesilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's disappointing that this coin is looking like cleaned.
If the coin was really cleaned and dealer lied about it, that's really bad.

Should I send it in to TPG for their opinion ?
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 Posted 09/08/2014  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
XF/AU details, although it is difficult to conclusively grade coins using just photos I'm leaning towards this coin being cleaned. Not much luster showing/surfaces look kind of hazy in spots.

Not worth sending to a TPG in my opinion.
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EF details, cleaned
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XF/AU definitely cleaned.
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AU det.
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Dang, you guys are too much -

NoD, you take time to enhance the picture......

Hopefully, you will have time to take a look at the ones I posted today. I also hope after reading these every day, I will be able to eventually add my opinion.
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I just got better equipment to take the picture so here are more close ups:



1934-S-Peace-Silver-Dollar-Grade

1934-S-Peace-Silver-Dollar-Grade

Also, I weighed the coin this time on the weight scale and it weighs 26.65 grain which falls short of 26.73 grain for Peace Silver dollar. Is this variance ok or is this fake coin ?
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 Posted 11/01/2014  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimbersFan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but I have to agree with the others. Too many fine lines for it to not be cleaned.
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11/01/2014 03:57 am
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Is this variance ok or is this fake coin ?

Details seem right, weight I think is within tolerances. Your coin looks genuine. Possibly the wear and cleaning accounts for that missing weight. What does everyone else think?
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To assist in the assessment of a fake or not, try a comparative ring tone test with another known genuine Peace dollar.

I agree with previously mentioned gradings.

I say 'cleaned', because I can't see any evidence of mint lustre.
With most of the other guys going for EF/AU, there should be some evidence of residual mint lustre at these grades, with an uncleaned coin.

I have to humbly admit that I have trouble in the grading of Peace dollars; there seems to be a wide variation in the quality of strike. Determining the amount of wear from pictures for me is difficult with a softly struck Peace dollar.
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11/01/2014 07:04 am
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