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2 Varieties Of Maria Theresa Thalers Discussed

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There is an interesting and well illustrated discussion of 2 scarce MMT's on the web at -

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...CAQFjAA&url=http://www.numismatik-cafe.at/download/file.php%3Fid=7722&ei=OWFJVIbQOM-PNuHJgIAJ&usg=AFQjCNGP8mTl6YmzdllMHg0hdx5YZ_-ncA&sig2=phZSfraUBtQzQ8RHhByWmg&bvm=bv.77880786,d.eXY


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Thats the article I wrote a few years back. Bit of a blast from the past (for me)
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Here's my Hafner 35, Type 2. (I hope that I have attributed it correctly).


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yep thats it however I have learn't alot since I wrote the article ( and my collection has grown bigger). This from memory and only based on examination of 12 H35 coins. There appears to be five varieties of H35 made up of 3 die sets. please take that advice with some caution I really need to go back and examine each coin again and sort the obverse and reverse die types out. I purchased an AU example in an e Auction based in Switzerland) yesterday. Murphy's law could see it being a new variety LOL

Now this is the big news!! In preparation for the ANA summer seminar I did some research in the austrian state archives two file absolutely stunned me( As the Aussies would say I was Gob smacked) I found the file recording the transfer of dies from Vienna to Venice in November 1816( for start of production in the new year) there were two tin di e impressions. the impressions were of Hafner 41 currently dated 1840-1866. Hafner 41 should now be dated 1817 - 1866 Venice. This means Hafner 37 variants are unlikely to be from Venice ( they are attributed to 1817-33) In an 1812 file I found a silver foil coin impression......of HAfner 39 ( Hafner has it as MIlan 1828-1841) it is reported in that file that the coin was struck in Guenzburg in the 1790s. The two files render all the current cataloging of the Italian mint MTT as highly questionable. The editor of the numismatist has said my article on this discovery will be in the december edition( but I will have to confirm with her)


Now for a frustrated/incredulous rant: I told Walter Hafner and sent him a draft of the article with full referencing for the two files. He is reissuing his catalogue in the new Year. I get back a bizarre reply telling me that Dr Leypold ( the real source for Hafners catalog) said H5 was Venice so it is Venice! And that Dr Leypold designated the Milan and Venice types and as every one now believes that attribution,
he will not change his catalogue! I am really hoping that this is just a communication problem!
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